2008 Presidential Elections part 2

Well, whatever happens gang, we can all take refuge in knowing that we all stand together! I wish MORE people would become involved. I think most people think like this: *Oh well, whatever. What can I do? The world is just too big for me to take on! Now, what time are we gonna meet up at the cock, do you think there will be coke there and alot of hunky men!* Not that theres ANYTHING wrong with that, (Been there done that!! he he) but when you center your whole world around it, reality is sure to catch up with you! Like, HOLY SHIT I AM MOVING TO AMSTERDAM!!! LOL! You know, going out into the streets and demonstrating, causing a bit of a problem really does help. That is how the STONEWALL riots started! It was FUCK YOU I HAVE HAD ENOUGH!!! I think people need to get ANGRY again! We do not need to *behave* like nice little queens and faggies! Honey, you don*t get nothing done being a lap dog for the master if you don*t reach up and bite his ass every once in awhile. All people who have had to fight for their rights know this! DO NOT BEHAVE. ACT UP BE LOUD SCREAM SHOUT AND STOMP YOUR WAY INTO THE PROMISED LAND! We as Gay People and their friends and supporters deserve to CROSS THE JORDAN with everyone else who are fighting for their right to be treated with dignity and respect! You DO NOT have to be left in the middle of the RED SEA of hate and bigotry. African Americans FOUGHT BACK and are still fighting and look around you now! The IRISH had to fight when they first came to this land where they were despised by their English lords! So did the Italians! Gender rights are just as important, mayby even more so!!! WE ARE A PEOPLE just like any other! In the early days of our Native Americans, we were the SHAMANS and SPIRIT WALKERS of the tribes. In ancient Greece and Rome we were worshiped as Gods and Goddesses. All thru history GLBT people have been treated with respect and awe. Then came the three religions of hatred. All of a sudden it was all about HETROSEXUALITY and all others were considered SATANIC and evil!!! The leaders in the churches twist the teachings of Jesus and the Bible and use them as an excuse for hate! Nowhere in the Bible does Jesus condem us!!! In fact, he scorned the Pharasees and sat at the table with prostitutes tax collectors and other so called outcasts of society. He said, *It is these people that I have come to!!!* But Christians don*t want you to know what HE really said. He also said, *There is neither Greek nor Jew, MALE NOR FEMALE in the Kingdom of God.* and *That even the eunuch shall enter into The Kingdom of God.* Also you find *Angels are genderless!* So why do Christians and Right Wing Bigots use the Bible to condem us? Because they are not real Christians, just a bunch of ignunt, backward thinking Neanderthals. Their way of thinking does not deserve to exist in our modern day world. I am not religious. But I was raised in a religious household and had the Bible shoved down my throat at an early age, so I KNOW WHAT IT SAYS!!! So I say, let*t just get together and fight the powers that be any way we can. The streets, EMAILS, voting booths, the PHONE, MY SPACE, YOU TUBE, THE INTERNET!!! Please don*t sit back and take the bullshit they throw at you!!! Fight back! I can do it! You can do it! WE ALL CAN DO IT!!!!!!!!!! Sincerely Jayne County (Photo taken by Jayne County at last March*s March On Wash.) Please visit my blog at" http://rockandrollantirepublikkkanleague.blogspot.com/

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"In like Flynn"
is a wink-wink phrase that originated when
Erol Flynn, the mega-star of golden age Holywood swashbuckler movies, was apprehended keeping a young teenage girl for sex on his yacht?

Today it would be 'In like Clinton (Bill).'
Today's newsletter from the Obama campaign

Friend --

News broke this morning that Senator Clinton made three separate loans to her
campaign in the past 30 days -- including one as recently as Monday.

These loans total more than $6.4 million, which combined with her previous personal
loans, add up to at least $11.4 million she's loaned her campaign since February.

A spokesman said she may continue to "loan the campaign additional money out of her
jointly-held assets" -- which include more than $100 million in income since her
husband left the White House.

Meanwhile, by winning a double-digit victory in North Carolina and closing the gap
in Indiana, Barack won another 100 delegates.

Barack Obama is now just 169 delegates away from winning the Democratic nomination.
It's within sight.

This is a decisive moment in this race.

Barack has already won more votes, more delegates, and more than twice as many
states as Senator Clinton, whose path to the nomination has grown extremely narrow.
But these loans show that her campaign will continue to contest the remaining
primaries vigorously.

We need to show that the voices of more than 1.5 million ordinary people donating
whatever they can afford are more powerful than one person giving more than $11
million to their own campaign.

Now is the time add your voice to our historic movement. Make a donation of $25 to
match Senator Clinton's loan:

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Here's the math of where we stand ...

There are only six contests remaining on the Democratic primary calendar and only
217 pledged delegates left to be awarded. Only 7% of the pledged delegates remain on
the table. There are 253 remaining undeclared superdelegates, for a total of 470
delegates left to be awarded.

With North Carolina and Indiana complete, Barack Obama only needs 169 total
delegates to capture the Democratic nomination. This is only 36% of the total
remaining delegates.

Conversely, Senator Clinton needs 326 delegates to reach the Democratic nomination,
which represents a startling 69% of the remaining delegates.

With the Clinton path to the nomination getting even narrower, we expect new and
wildly creative scenarios to emerge in the coming days.

While those scenarios may be entertaining, they are not legitimate and will not be
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and donors.

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And we estimate that after the Oregon and Kentucky primaries on May 20th, we will
have won a majority of the overall pledged delegates.

Evidently, the Clinton campaign agrees. According to a recent news report, by even
their most optimistic estimates the Clinton campaign expects to trail by more than
100 pledged delegates and will then ask the superdelegates to overturn the will of
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Now I've read that Obama is open to the idea of Hillary as his VP. I'm not sure how I feel about that. I know the thinking is that such a ticket would heal the rift in the party. But for Obama, it dilutes his brand. I mean, if he's supposed to represent a new way of doing things and turning a page, then hitching the Clintons to his bandwagon goes against all that. Also he should think about if he wants to risk being seen as a co-president, because surely Bill and Hillary will be running amok at every chance they get. Well, maybe not.

Months ago I said he'd be smarter to pick some other white woman who could bring all the positives to his ticket Hillary would bring but none of the negatives. However that was before this race became so long and cumbersome. Now I'm not so sure.
People say Hillary is tough, and in a sense I agree. It takes someone superhuman to get up at the crack of dawn and be on a campaign trail every day for over a year and to have taken all the attacks she's taken for nearly the last fifteen years and keep going.

But on ethics and issues, she's not tough at all. She waffles. She's a panderer. Her vote for the invasion of Iraq, the most important of her entire career, was purely for political expediency and nothing more. Her support of the summer gas tax freeze is the same thing. She does whatever she thinks will make her look good. The only thing she's stuck with is health care.
what is at stake this year

I was originally a Kucinich supporter since I felt he had the most progressive policies. Then, when it appeared John Edwards was gaining more traction I planned on voting for him in New York in the hopes that he would get some delegates and fight for economic justice at the convention. When he dropped out, I was left with Hillary and Obama. I had problems with both of them. I preferred her Health Plan but was still upset with her vote on the Iraq War and I had serious concerns that she would follow the triangulation policies of her husband in the white house (Welfare Reform, Defense of Marriage Act, expansion of the Death Penalty), so I voted for Obama with reservations.

I approach this election as a progressive. I vote for the candidate I think offers the best hope of progressive change that will have the greatest effect on people's lives. The racial and gender considerations are secondary at best.

Whatever happened, my intention has always been to support the nominee, no matter who I supported in the primary. The issue differences between Obama and Clinton are miniscule when compared with McCain. In all truth, this primary has been a personality contest between two center left politicians.


Which is why I cannot understand the vitriol between Obama and Clinton supporters. I voted for Obama, but if Clinton won the nomination, even by using Super Delegates to thwart the will of the elected delegates, I would support her in November. The stakes are too high to sulk if my candidate doesn't get the nomination. We have to keep this in perspective.

There will be at least 3 Supreme Court vacancies in the next few years, all Liberals. If McCain wins, it's all over, and not just Abortion Rights, but church state separation and are constitutional government as we know it. There will be no action on health care, none, leading to more suffering, the war in Iraq will rage on forever and more people will needlessly die. It goes on and on.

We need to think beyond our candidates and focus on the millions of lives that will be devastated by a McCain presidency.

That is the situation we are in. The Democratic nominee must win in November. It is a matter of survival for a lot of people and we cannot let this internal popularity contest enable a continuation of the Bush presidency. If we do, people will suffer and die and it will be our fault for letting the true reason we all care about politics disappear behind the shouting of Clinton and Obama partisans.
Far from being a credit to the female voters in this country, the choice of Sarah Palin as the first Republican VP nominee is condescending and insulting to women. In selecting Palin over the legions of far more qualified women in his party (Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, Elizabeth Dole, Kay Bailey Hutchinson, to name but a few), McCain makes it clear that, in his view, American women are guillible and stupid enough to vote for anything with a vagina between its legs.

The fact that Palin is a former beauty queen is equally telling. At best, it's an old man's desperate attempt to seem relevant by putting a pretty face on the ticket, a la Bush 41 with Dan Quayle. At worst, it's a dismissal of female humanity. Maturity, wisdom and achievement mean nothing ... youth and beauty means everything.

The saddest part is that this disgusting ruse may actually work in November.
I don't know, Lex. My initial reaction has been more like, "Gee, thanks John, for just handing us the election!" She's really too poorly qualified; even her mother-in-law just said she isn't quite sure what Sarah brings to the ticket. Voters in Alaska seem to be somewhat fine with her as governor, but her potential slot in the VP has them scratching their heads. Like Joe.My.God said on his blog, I can't wait for Megan Mullaly to play Sarah Palin in the inevitable send-up.
Oh, and Palin's fake pregnancy a few months back is soooo rich! The "Christian" woman covered up her daughter's illegitimate pregnancy, and pretended she was having a baby? This woman just gets more and more interesting to me. McCain seriously could give a shit about her viability as a potential Prez. Anyone think he's got a touch of the "Old Age" lapses in rational thought?

Read all about it:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/30/121350/137/486/580223
I really think this last debate painted a vivid picture of the two candidates. John McCain out from behind a podium appeared really frail and ancient for his 72 years. I know he suffered alot in his younger years, but 40 years later I think maybe he took one too many pistol whippings. If you watched his physicality it was actually a little shocking compared to Barack Obama. It seemed sad seeing the two onstage together. Mr. Obama appearing in control and confident with comfortable body language. McCain's attacks on Obama and lame attempts at jokes were pathetic at best. McCain seemed unsteady and jittery when not addressing the audience. He reminded me a bit of the shuffling footed old character Tim Conway did on The Carol Burnett show. It became very apparent that the possibilty of Sarah Palin having to finish his term could be a very likely reality. Talk about multi tasking. Caring for a special needs child, a pregnant teen AND run the country? How would she find time for skeet shooting, anti abortion rallies and faith healing services? Her hate based finger pointing could single handedly bring witch hunts back in vogue in America. God Save the Queens!!!!
She really is the devil and if they win it will seem like the end of days. It's interesting seeing it unfold from abroad (from a broad?) because people over here just think Obama would automatically win. I end up having to explain that religion and race probably play a more important role than policy in this election. So then I get depressed because I start to realize that we really might have McCain as our next president which likely means Palin as our president and then...
Sarah Palin is harmless enough if she were just your narrow minded cousin who kept her stupidity confined to the hillbilly town where she resides. Her puritanical views spewed out on an international stage are even more embarrassing than George Bush's 8 years of blabbering if that's even possible. I am a firm supporter of women and their rightful place in our government but she really is a sad exception to that rule. She would better serve our country lying quietly in front of an abortion clinic somewhere in Anchorage.
I know Brits who are very thankful to have Palin running. Because, they say, only in America would there be a candidate for high office who has much more entertainment value than political credibility. They are very entertained by her fatuous pretensions, her overt racism and fear-mongering mouthed in subaltern manners. Pathetically, for us Americans, she is the new standard for dumbing down politics. Now we are supposed to accept that a person can just wink their way in to national office. Thank the Little Bush Idiocracy once again.
Just when you think conservatives can't sink any lower...
THEY ALWAYS DO!
It's amazing.
Bush now has an even lower approval rating than Nixon did at his lowest. I believe the lowest ever.
I hope all the people who were "a feared the gays was gonna git married if Bush didn't win" are happy.
I know they are not but they will never learn.
Even though Sarah Palin only got a passport like last year and doesn't know where Europe is on a map, she can skin a moose with her bare teeth and that's good enough in the Red States to be leader of the free world.

I'm sorry Darla, I know you can drive an F-15 and that is very cool but I can't imagine how you can get behind this one.
You can put lipstick on it but it is still a disaster.
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Really good. Thanks Lil. The kind of feverish racism that is rearing its head I hope will actually work against the republicans in the end. I think it was inevitable that the campaign would turn this way because the GOP can't inspire hope so they resort to fear. WHen I heard about the court ruling in CT for gay marriage I actually winced because I thought "Why couldn't they have waited till after the election." I think now since an obvious racist slant of the McCain campaign has proven detrimental the next tactic will be to say that Obama is for people being able to marry their dogs because that's always the conservative's argument agaisnt gay marriage, so it seems. Like, "If the institute of marriage can be changed to allow men to marry men, or women to marry women, then what's stopping them from allowing people to marry their pets."
I read this on a progressive blog. I don't know who wrote it, but it sums up my sentiments exactly....
quote:
See, here's the deal -- we're going to win the White House, we're going to win big in the Senate, and we're going to rack up big gains in the House. Republicans know this and are preparing for the worst. Now think of 2004 -- we really thought Kerry was going to pull it off. Remember that? And remember how utterly devastated we were when Bush pulled it off? The pain was so much worse because we expected to win.
So with conservatives bracing for the worse, they won't experience the kind of pain we did. Not unless we deliver a defeat even worse than their worst nightmares. And I'll be honest with you -- I want them to hurt as much as we did. I want their spirits crushed, their backs broken.

So the way we do that is we deliver a defeat worse than they ever imagined. We do that by winning states that have no business turning Blue -- like North Carolina, Georgia, Indiana, and so on -- states that were easy Bush victories in 2004. We do that by electing a 60-seat supermajority in the Senate. We do that by defeating their leadership, like Mitch McConnell in the Senate. We do that by defeating their heroes, like wingnut go-to hero John Shadegg. We do that by making sure a record number of Americans reject conservative ideology, leaving it utterly discredited.

The day after the election, I want to see an electoral battlefield littered with defeated Republicans, their ranks demoralized, their treasury in heavy debt, and no real leadership to take the helm. I want a vacuum so complete, that a bloody leadership battle between the neocons, theocons, and corporate cons shakes the GOP to its core, and leaves it fractured and ill-equipped to stymie the progressive agenda, much less ramp up for an even bleaker (for them) 2010.
The wounds of the Kerry defeat still sting. Four years later I'm still in shock that he lost, not because I thought he was all that but because I still can't fathom that after four years of the Bush administration people couldn't see the evidence of his incompetency as plain as the nose on their faces in a mirror reflection.

I'm cautiously optimistic at this stage in the election, but I won't believe it until I see Obama behind that desk in the Oval Office.
I'm with you, Lexy. But as a decades long JFK conspiracy buff, I also shudder to think what plots are being hatched to take out Obama - not talking about the nuts being riled up by the Palins and McCains, but a neocon plot from inside the (departing) government.

And, how perfect - it could be hung on some rascist in much the way the JFK job was hung on Oswald. Please tell me Im just being paranoid...
McCain won't call off the dogs.
They are now out of the kennel.
His Party calls the shots.
And you can be sure people like Karl Rove are smiling about it.
Now all can see who the Republican base really are.
As for the Palin person, immaturity allows her to think sleazy is cool.
When politics become antisocial it is a undeniable guage of how awful conditions in general have become.
There is no secret conspiracy to off Obama, there is a public policy promoted by legitimate candidates for high office.
Who were the parents of Little Bush, Sara Palin and John McCain? They all failed.
I have to say it... Im worried. I went out on my motorcycle upstate and noticed so many McCain/Palin signs on peoples lawns. It was shocking. This is only 1/2 hour outside NYC. There was not an Obama sign to be seen for miles. Finally one, in Nyack, the 'progressive' town but only one. It got me thinking, are people afraid to put an Obama sign out on their lawn? are they afraid the McCain followers will throw rocks through their windows? I wanted to ride my motorcycle over the lawns and plow down the McCain/Palin signs, but of course I didn't, and then it hit me... I bet a McCain supporter would have drove all over that lawn if it was an Obama sign. And thats why I'm nervous. They will do ANYTHING to win. My Aunt said "I don't know who to vote for this time" , that made me speachless, well for a moment, then I told her what I thought. But that is a very good example of the 'average' person. It made me very nervous.......
I'm heading to Ohio with a bunch of Obama supporters to help get people to the polls and make sure there's no funny business.

plus. Christoper Hitchens just endorsed Obama

http://www.slate.com/id/2202163/


and William F. Buckley Jr's son just got fired from the National Review for endorsing Obama.

they're falling apart. It's not over and we still need to work our asses off, but I'm optimistic.
If you're a Democrat, voting in New York can be anti-climactic, since Obama will probably win at least 75% of the vote in the city and every seat in the congressional delegation will be won by the Democrats.

But you can make a statement by voting on The Working Families Party line.

It's row E on the ballot and they have endorsed Obama and pretty much all Democrats in the city so your vote still goes to Obama and other Democrats.

But the Working Families Party is trying to push the Democrats to the left on economic issues like rent regulation, single payer health care and other issues like drug law reform. A vote for Obama on row E sends a message to the Democratic Party that we care about these issues while not splitting the vote.

check out their website...

http://www.workingfamiliesparty.org/
IT'S ALREADY STOLEN

Investigation by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Greg Palast released today

Don't worry about Mickey Mouse or ACORN stealing the election. According to an investigative report out today in Rolling Stone magazine, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Greg Palast, after a year-long investigation, reveal a systematic program of "GOP vote tampering" on a massive scale.

- Republican Secretaries of State of swing-state Colorado have quietly purged one in six names from their voter rolls.

Over several months, the GOP politicos in Colorado stonewalled every attempt by Rolling Stone to get an answer to the massive purge - ten times the average state's rate of removal.

- While Obama dreams of riding to the White House on a wave of new voters, more then 2.7 million have had their registrations REJECTED under new procedures signed into law by George Bush.

Kennedy, a voting rights lawyer, charges this is a resurgence of 'Jim Crow' tactics to wrongly block Black and Hispanic voters.

- A fired US prosecutor levels new charges - accusing leaders of his own party, Republicans, with criminal acts in an attempt to block legal voters as "fraudulent."

- Digging through government records, the Kennedy-Palast team discovered that, in 2004, a GOP scheme called "caging" ultimately took away the rights of 1.1 million voters. The Rolling Stone duo predict that, this November 4, it will be far worse.

There's more:

- Since the last presidential race, "States used dubious 'list management' rules to scrub at least 10 million voters from their rolls."

Among those was Paul Maez of Las Vegas, New Mexico - a victim of an unreported but devastating purge of voters in that state that left as many as one in nine Democrats without a vote. For Maez, the state's purging his registration was particularly shocking - he's the county elections supervisor.

The Kennedy-Palast revelations go far beyond the sum of questionably purged voters recently reported by the New York Times.

"Republican operatives - the party's elite commandos of bare-knuckle politics," report Kennedy and Palast, under the cover of fighting fraudulent voting, are "systematically disenfranchis[ing] Democrats."

The investigators level a deadly serious charge:

"If Democrats are to win the 2008 election, they must not simply beat McCain at the polls - they must beat him by a margin that exceeds the level of GOP vote tampering."

Block the Vote by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. & Greg Palast in the current issue (#1064) of Rolling Stone. [Media enquiries - Dave Falkenstein, Sunshine Sachs & Assoc, via interviews@gregpalast.com.]

Note - Kennedy and Palast are releasing, simultaneously with the Rolling Stone an investigative report they call, the vote-theft 'antidote': a 24-page full-color comic book, Steal Back Your Vote, which can be downloaded or obtained in print from their non-partisan website, StealBackYourVote.org

For updates and video reports, go to RollingStone.com, www.GregPalast.com and StealBackYourVote.org.
Hopefully some good news from Ohio.

We saw Obama speak @ the University of Cincinnati last night. We were among 27,000 who waited in line for 3 hours. And we LOVED every minute of it.

Ohio has had over 1.5 million people vote early and exit polls are showing that up to 65% of those who have voted early have voted for Obama.

True, there are stories of people waiting 6 hours in line in Columbus, but I can personally tell you that I went at NOON last Tuesday in Cincinnati and only waited for 35-40 minutes. I did not see even one person have issues while voting at the Board of Elections.

They are going to have a MUCH harder time stealing this one.

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