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There was a thread on the Viper Room and at least one person came out against it specifically because it was in the city of angels.

Thing is, I'm going to be moving there within a couple of years. I will most decidedly not be in the entertainment industry (I'm a nurse), which I'm hoping will be something of a bullshit buffer. I'm interested in hearing what people think of the city. I know that a lot of people hate it but I'd like to hear why.
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Interesting that nobody responded to this one...
Personally, I hate it cos it's soul-less... no sense of community, very ghetto-ized (eg You will not meet a cross section of people, each area is very segregated and cos you have to drive to each place there really is no mixture of race,economic, gender mixing at all). It's suburban American to me but suburban US with the added drama of HOLLYWOOD and all that kitcsch its-all-about-glamour-dahling mixed in... urg.
Also hate that driving to everywhere thang...
And its SO not about who you know there... i have hung with the best of them, in the coolest of places and still been miserable... superficial, suburban and 'fronting'.... thats my two cents...
I don't know if i could live there, but it is one of my very favorite places to visit. driving out Sunset through lush, tree lined, forbidding beverly hills, and bel aire out to pacific palisades...imagining the riches and fame behind every hedge...it's fantastical. overall though, the isolation is a major turn-off. very hard to feel connected there. and the posing does get tiresome. Also, major complaint: no one in LA dresses for ANYTHING. It's as if they think if there's no red carpet, they're free to trot about in their juicey couture and adidas -- anywhere, at any time. really so very UN-glam and boring. Washingtonians have more style sense.
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i'm here right now.
my first night out to one of mario's nights (alas, he was absent - already in new york to open for nina hagen) was devoid of any of the trouble we were looking for. faggots dressing WAY too young for their age or otherwise trying to hard. my favorite... one of the plucked, preened, and primped sported a black t-shirt that said in BIG white letters... WEST FUCKIN' HOLLYWOOD
bah!
the weather, though... hard to beat it.
great point... about the fags dressing too young... or the older Holmby Hills fags dressing like Sigfried and Roy... and the lollypop women (you know the big round heads and the stick bodys) and the over tanned... and the still stuck in the Disco era women on the boardwalks with sweatbands.... the weather is EASY to beat... Florida, Mexico, Caribbean...ya hearin me ....
i use to live in the Westwood section of L.A. back in '99..

..then i moved over to Venice in 2000..

...then i got the hell outta' there 6 months later.

"Hell.A." does have some good points to it: the weather, the beaches.

..but everything else about it is bad: the air, the attitude, the people, the club scene, the people, the fact that you need a car to get ANYWHERE around there, the people, the cops, the horrid gang violence, the people....

....did i mention the people??

..everything seems to be based on status, there.
you HAVE to have a car...or some kind of high materialistic possession in order to be recognized out there.
..& i find that greatly disgusting.

i've never seen so many cell phones in my LIFE, 'till i moved out there.

...i'll end it like this: some will like L.A., some will love L.A....
...then there are those - like me - who loathe L.A..

...OH, SWEET JESUS, TAKE ME BACK TO BROOKLYN!!!!!!

...& look at the bitch NOW!
Rupaul
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my first time in LA we are at this nice hotel which was on the side of the little hill and we are sitting by the pool where you had a nice view of this gorgeous cloud of smog... very nice

and then I was with a group of people hanging out and we were going somewhere during the day and I said "How far is it? Lets walk..." and they all did the "no comprendo" look where you sort of cock your head to the side and just blink

I learned all about Scientology...

LA is pink satin where as NYC is midnight blue velvet...

it was a quirky little adventure even for this jaded NYer...all in all I had a nice time

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http://MetropolisNYC.com

feed the fire of your desire...
In no particular order...

-- The old Ambassador Hotel.

-- Sneaking into the decaying Union Pacific train yards downtown.

-- Mulholland Drive in late November (from a 4-wheel drive vehicle, of course.)

-- Aimee Semple MacPherson's temple in Echo Park.

-- Hangin' out at Danny's Okee Dog on Santa Monica Blvd.

-- The Malibu General Store and that Mexican orchid guy's wonderful greenhouses nearby.

-- Griffith Park, especially its observatory.

-- Chuck E. Weiss, Syd Straw, Ann Magnuson, and all those other misfit former easterners that live there now.
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LIKE:

The Getty, for that so-far-out-of-human scale/American Royalty(Divinity?) boost.-No, really, only a dead gazillionaire could afford to put on tiny little, totally steep art shows in comparably intimate spaces, almost hands-on -although the Getty museum (citadel?) is technically outside the city limit.

The downtown abandoned after 8PM. So reminiscent of the 80's in Anycity USA.

Feeling like everyday is a russian roulette with an earthquake.

Here is what the city is to me in one pill: Riding the elevator in the Mondrian Hotel with Billy Idol who is carrying his own clothes back from the dry cleaner and has a black eye, while I eat the bagel with butter I got from the hotel restaurant that cost $10 before I head back down to the pool to lounge in the 8PM summer sunset as it turns green in the smog hanging over the five different downtowns.

DISLIKE:

The weather is okay if you hate variety and love having to wear sweaters at night.

When I'm there I just get the feeling I can't find anything real. I'm not in to pretension, and celebrities to me are like some kind of puppets in the white order's zoo. The only zones that work for me are the ethnic aberrations you can't discern from the image the place offers of an oceanic suburban sprawl when you're flying over.
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Well said dear sage......"When I'm there I just get the feeling I can't find anything real. I'm not in to pretension, and celebrities to me are like some kind of puppets in the white order's zoo. The only zones that work for me are the ethnic aberrations you can't discern from the image the place offers of an oceanic suburban sprawl when you're flying over." Well said...
Totally how I feel... it gives me the heebeegeebees.... Give me the real edge and color and diversity anyday.... LA its just the Hamptons with more celebs and palm trees......
I find the unreality of it all part of its charm actually. Everyone walking around all plastic surgeried and fake. A lot of the women look like trannys there. The posing, the "fronting" can be amusing -- though only as a now-and-then novelty. And the 70s time warp near the beaches kind of excites me, as though I'll see Farrah Fawcett flying by in a Trans Am at any second. And the weather! I've NEVER been a winter person -- I only like it during the holiday season. Otherwise I'm all about summer and fall. After living through so many bone-chilling winters here I could certainly deal with a place that's warm all the time. It's nice to go to the beach year round and not just during July and August.

But the isolation there is smothering. Everyone in their cars and behind gates. Fronting. The segregation. In New York you always feel connected and a part of the human race because there's people on the street at times walking alongside you. Everyone rides the bus or the subway. You rub shoulders with everyone of all walks and stations of life. Out there everyone drives everywhere and only the lowest of the low ride the bus. It's all about status.

I never get the feeling that I'm in a big city when in L.A., even though it's the nation's "other mecca". No skyscrapers. Very suburban. It's like driving through Queens.
Variety Magazine published an excerpt from famed screenwriter Joe Eszterhas's new bombshell tell-all memoirs about Hollywood. Quite a scathing portrait of L.A. and an ugly picture of Malibu too. When I think of Malibu I always see an incoherent Barbara Parkins in a Pucci caftan wallowing in the surf on dolls. Guess it's not really that fab.

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Skies not always blue in Malibu
Tue Jan 27, 7:00 PM ET
By JOE ESZTERHAS

(Variety) Most people are aware that screenwriter Joe Eszterhas decamped Hollywood for his native Cleveland. But most haven't heard exactly how a well-paid screenwriter sours on Malibu. In this excerpt from his new memoir, "Hollywood Animal," he explains.

"There was always some damn movie being filmed at night on the beach below us in Malibu keeping us awake.

And Joey found a used hypodermic to play with on the local playground.

And we were forced to buy what we called our "Brinks Mailbox" because one of our neighbors, starstruck, was stealing our mail.

And an Alaska Airlines jet crashed a few miles out at sea and the beach beneath us was awash for weeks with body tissue and suitcases.

And we'd fired one of our nannies because L.A. sheriff's deputies had caught her threatening and stalking the television actor Robert Conrad.

And yet, that wasn't really what was wrong. Something was very wrong, I felt, but none of those things, added together, summed up the problem. I was the problem. Something was wrong with me. . . .

In some deep part of me, I didn't want to be here anymore. I didn't want to go to the wall and fight the battles . . . and do the seductive, empty chitchat at Morton's. I still wanted to write screenplays, but I didn't want the rest of the package: the fights with directors, the paparazzi at the premieres, the limos, the best table at Spago, the weekends in Palm Springs or Laguna.

I felt like I'd befouled myself somehow, like I had turned into something I didn't want to be: the screenwriter as Hollywood Animal ... not as victim and servant and peon and whore ... but as the Hollywood Animal, the gun in my hand.

An ancient Hollywood equation says that in the beginning of a project, the screenwriter has the gun and when his script is finished he hands the gun off to the director ... and when the director's cut is finished, the director hands the gun off to the studio ... and when the studio has the gun ... the studio fires the gun and kills the screenwriter and the director with it.

Well, not me! I had the gun and kept it and could even aim it at studio heads and get them to throw their hands up and give me what I wanted!

Hollywood animal behavior. Another symptom of the same disease that had caused a producer friend of mine to slap his maid bloody for not moving fast enough at a dinner party, or another producer friend who viciously beat up his fiancee two weeks before their wedding date --- a date he kept, but with another woman.

You'll never work in this town again was blackmail and extortion, because there was always an "if" attached to that time-worn sentence . . . "If you leave CAA," Michael Ovitz had said to me, talking about his foot soldiers who'd blow my brains out.

And now I was engaging in the same sort of blackmail and extortion. I was a Hollywood animal, I feared, just as much as Ovitz, pulling the same gangster tactics on the town that he'd pulled on me. I had become what I detested.

"So do whatever you want to do," I'd written to Ovitz, "and fuck you," more than implying that he was trash, Hollywood scum, and I didn't want to have anything to do with him. Now I was off my high horse, muscling and browbeating the other players in the gutter.

I felt like I should send myself the same letter I'd sent to Ovitz. There was no doubt in my mind that the Ovitz jacket I saw myself wearing fit to a tee: Michael had even turned on Ron Meyer, his best friend, the way I'd turned on Guy McElwaine.
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I found myself reconsidering and reevaluating my whole battle with Ovitz. Was it really wanting Guy back in my life that made me resist Ovitz eleven years ago? Or was it me saying: You're candy, frat boy. Welcome to Lorain Avenue. You don't have a chance. I'm gonna hit you in the fuckin' head with a baseball bat ... because I'm the real Hollywood animal, asshole, I'm the real Thousand-Pound Gorilla!"

The longer I'd lived in this town the worse I'd become ... until I was out of control, amok in Malibu. Wildlife. A barbarian hanging scalps and check stubs off his figurative dick. There was something about this cursed and glitzy town that infected you and fired you with delusions. Living here was like functioning on low-desert meth cut with just a crust of PCP.

L.A. was a separate nation, not a state within the United States ... but a separate nation between the United States and Mexico whose Twin Towers was the Industry. It was impossible to imagine this separate nation without the Industry because the Industry was its big, beeping, buzzing, glowing sacred heart.

Everyone wanted to be a part of the Industry ... as a screenwriter, actor, producer, gofer, gaffer, whatever --- it didn't matter. As long as they could be a part of it and suck off its glamorous, poisonous, siliconed, corrupt tit.

Jeremy, Naomi's 40-year-old little brother, made a lucrative salary. He was a brilliant PR man, a talented singer and songwriter. Yet one day, out of the blue, he suddenly decided to write screenplays with a friend. Why? Because if Ben Affleck and Matt Damon could do it ...

Jeremy read the trades too, tried to get invited to "industry events." He kept a list in his office of movie stars he and his co-workers had glimpsed in the outdoor cafés of the Sunset Strip.

A screenwriter! He was a screenwriter now! Boom! Just like that! Out of the blue! Even though he'd never written anything but songs and PR releases before. Even though he got so jittery sitting in one place for twenty minutes that he had to get up and pace around the room.

Naomi and I loved Jeremy and we feared this deadly suckhole of a town was sucking him in, too. He drove a hot car. He went to the gym each day. He was on his cellular all the time. He didn't check his at-home mail for a week, but he checked his e-mail at his office every hour.

The truth was that in the Nation of L.A. you ... didn't matter ... if you weren't sucking off the Industry tit. You were nothing even if it seemed that you were something."

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hattie remembers so well because those are all her crusing spots.
i gave it a shot and lasted 9 months, haven't been back since. the most unsettling issue for me was there was not enough history in southern california. la is just over 100 years old,
i found it to be a big yawn.

there were some good times there, but i'm not very good in a car.

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