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I tried reaching her all day Tuesday and yesterday but the lines were busy and I couldn't get through .... I know her apartment is on Broadway at White Street. Has anyone heard from her? Is she okay? does she have a place to stay? Food? Gowns, etc????? If anyone knows, please post!
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thinking more about how it feels like some "thing"- something "inhuman" has attacked us. It reminds me of the first half of Forbidden Planet - where Dr. Morbius (President Bush) remains ignorant as to why all the firepower at his command cant stop the mysterious, terrifying ID monster. Finally he realizes (too late, after many have died) that the ID is a mirror, a supernatural amplification of his unconscious mind. While terrorists are hardly Bush's personal 'ID' -I believe their actions...
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Jade, How gorgeous but President Bush is the wrong person to ask. He has to ask his father what to do and we all know his track record.
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pardon me, thou bleeding piece of earth, That I am meek and gentle with these butchers! Thou art the ruins of the noblest man That ever lived in the tide of times. Woe to the hand that shed this costly blood! Over thy wounds now do I prophesy,-- Which, like dumb mouths, do ope their ruby lips, To beg the voice and utterance of my tongue-- A curse shall light upon the limbs of men; Domestic fury and fierce civil strife Shall cumber all the parts of Italy; Blood and destruction shall be so in...
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I'd worry more if flag sales were down and people weren't rushing to the aid of our country.
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Dearest Chi Chi, Just wanted to let you know that our thoughts are with you and your extended family from here in London. Watching this tragedy unfold on TV... it's a Ballardian hyper-real nightmare screenburning itself onto the global retina, an appalling moment that changes everything. We have all lost our innocence, not just America... Soon, we will really be tested on what we believe in. And I just pray to the god/ess/s/one mind/thing that we come out of this somehow with our belief in...
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Of course the President is going to consult with a former president and CIA head. Former president Bush did an excellent job during the last time of international crisis and had an approval rating over 90%. I feel comforted that we can still draw on that kind of knowledge and experience.
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I guess I will see you at the flag counter at K-Mart...or the Recruitment Station... I must be part of that gosh-darned 10%!
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Jade, I so agree with your post. I keep thinking of something that was said last night at the memorial service at St. Mark's Church. This beautiful woman (poet, perhaps?) spoke with great dignity. She said "When I looked at the picture of the tower coming down and the cloud of smoke, I saw the mushroom cloud again, the one from the pictures, the cloud WE set off over Hiroshima, come back to us here.." The affirmation of peace at the end of the service has never seemed so important or real.
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I have been feeling a bit like a prisoner out here in Brooklyn - a little removed from everything and not being able to get into Manhattan with ease. I have had off work the past two days and have been glued to the television watching the same horrifying, saddening footage over and over. Outside my window we has ash falling from the sky on Tuesday and a thick cloud of smoke up the street. Luckily, everyone I know who works in the area is safe and alive. But the loss of life is just...
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But for another reason- after spending the night at Vulgar Greek's on 25th St Tuesday night (after walking 60+ blocks to Houston- in loafers without socks- might as well have worn 6" heels, my feet were so ripped up- and being turned away), I walked to work (another 40 block walk) early in the AM yesterday. When I passed the Blood Donor Center on 67th, there was a line around the block to give blood. I have lived in NYC 8 years and worked on the Upper East Side just as long, and I have NEVER...
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That everyone seems Ok. I feel sad for all who are not. I feel sad for those who did this, for those who dispise what we stand for and for those who cannot understand what brings us together as a family. We may be despised for being New Yorkers or Americans or whatever epithet you care to throw, but, we are of a family here and the seeds that all of us cultivate can change a world. The monster that feeds this type of hate is the idea that we are different from everyone else. We, defined as...
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Family, extended and otherwise: I'm sorry I've been out of touch. As you might imagine, in order to maintain composure and sanity, I've let myself become a machine, with short lists of tasks and functions to spend the waking hours. Via the TV, internet, the occasional newspaper, information is sucked in without much processing or reaction, just accumulation. Past the initial shock, watching the towers burn and crumble, I've felt very little. I'm maintaining while this city, this crossroads...
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Whitney Houston OD'd and is dead A 20something year old girl was raped and murdered behind Payson House on 70th (b/w 1st and york) Tuesday night. Di
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Hattie, They won't take me. I'm too old. But we must respond and deter, or it will just get worse. We are dealing with religious fanatics who are highly indoctrinated, hate us, and do not reason as we do. BTW the Japanese were the cruelest and most murderous nation during WWII. Thousands of American and Allied lives were saved by us not having to invade Japan. Darla (Miss Conservative Viewpoint) Diamond
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Ted/ Where did you get that fact? Is it rumour? Is has not been on the news today. Please post asap.
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Evie, as they say, out of the ashes. we will go on, i'm so happy for your sister and you aunt evie. kisses to the new girl!
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Darla, I agree, we must respond and deter. How we should do that is another matter altogether. I guess I just don't have the faith that you do in the former governor of Texas and his advisors. In my life I have seen numerous atrocities cloaked in the star-spangled banner. I would not like to see those atrocities repeated. For any reason. I might also remind you that this country is rife with religious fanatics as well. Read the final paragraph of the National Review piece that Minerva has...
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She sent the info to me. I believe that it came through her channels. I can't find it either might just be a rumour. If so, sorry. T [This message was edited by Ted & Di on 09-13-01 at 08:17 PM.]
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Yes Hattie, I share your concern about the way our response is carried out. However, all talk of retaliation that I have heard has been predicated on first having good hard evidence of who is responsible. On CNN, that is exactly what is being discussed right now with Senator Graham. The government will make mistakes, we all do. But our government knows that we will gain nothing by hitting out blindly. That will only result in a propaganda victory for our enemies and the disintegration of our...
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As for the viewpoints of people in the heartland, the folks here feel what I think people all over the country feel. Shock, sadness, anger. But the anger isn't blind. We all realize the importance of bringing to justice those responsible, based on incontravertable evidence. [This message was edited by Darla Diamond on 09-13-01 at 08:20 PM.]
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whitney houston is ALIVE, not dead... radio stations in NYC and LA falsely reported this... E!online www.eonline.com has the info from the publicist denying the rumor... E! online so, if she gets off the drugs, maybe she can sing the national anthem again...
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I love the Rumour Mill. but I really hate E!
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I'm with Hattie 100%. All the flags, hate & bullshit... it's as unnerving as the Palestinian kids celebrating in the streets. The human tragedy is incomprehensible to me. I still can't really process it. But somehow I can't help thinking that in alot of ways we are the Romans now and they are the Christians. And Darla, I know you are new to the fringe but I feel I must point out that most of these flag wavers hate your guts and everything you represent. They wish you were dead (waving an...
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Darla, I just re-read all the posts and I misunderstood your point I think. Sorry.
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I may be wrong, but was Burke referring to the constitutional crisis during George III's reign?
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As I always tell my students, while the high road appears miles above our heads, the low road seems a few steps down. In my opinion the our purpose in life is to work towards that higher road when we can. The low road represents defeated mob mentality. Please rise up in the face of this tragedy. I implore you. Sincedrely, VP
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today on the east river park (which is mostly fenced off). i was on my rollerblades, a group of men had used gaffer tape to mount 5 american flags, 1 pow/mia, 2 gulf war and 4 smaller american flags flanking. as i passed he offered me a small american flag, i didn't want it so i didn't take it but said thank you. just happened to notice the most handsom man in their company. i decided to sun their as it is my usual spot. i looked at lady liberty and cried..... soon after i overherd the men...
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IIn the posting I left above I mentioned taking the high road, which in my opinion is the smar, crafty road. For Instance, I have a wonderful boy in my class who might as well be a muslim these days the way people treat him. I mean the way the other boys treat him is awful and I try to protect him as best I can, but I can't always be there. Secretly I gave him a knife and I told him the next time one of those boys gets near him he should "take home a little souvenir and maybe that boy will...
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Although I will not be at Daddy tonight, I wanted to let everyone know how happy I am there will be a place to go. I hope you all gather, show your love and raise a lot of money for the Red Cross. I had to get out of my neighborhood, (I live on 25th and 1st next to Bellevue) the site of one more desperate family member clinging to a photo and looking so helpless was more than I could handle. My block became one of the saddest sites I have ever witnessed. Words can't express how overwelmed I...
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They tell me that the LIE is closed except for emergency personel. My presence in NYC will probably be a hinderance. One more car one more mouth to feed. I long to connect with my friends I miss Diane. No, we don't live together. I want to hear the music to do SOMETHING. I know I will be bringing in supplies from out in Suburban hell. To all my friends, have a toast for each other, for those who cannot be and for those who will never return. may the forces of Truth and Light prevail. Diety...
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I understand the resentment towards the bigotry in our society. This bigotry exists in all societies. It is not justified in any way. However, if you think you are ill treated in the United States, just take a trip to Afghanistan and see what they do to faggots over there. I cannot believe that some of you are suggesting that these acts were in some way justified. This was nothing but the mass murder of innocents out of blind irrational hatred. These religious bigots make our home grown...
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I dont think anyone on these boards is suggesting the attacks were justified. However, when something rotten happens to me or I find myself in a terrible situation - I ask myself "Well, how did I get here?". I believe US Policy is partly to blame for creating these monsters. They are not simply "evil" while we are "good -- although their horrifying, unconscionable acts certainly were. But instead of merely seeking revenge which Im certain we will do (was there ever any question?)- We cannot...
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I agree that I don't believe anyone on these boards is saying that the attacks against America (and the world for that matter) were justified. What I believe people are trying to say is that those who are screaming loudest for America -as the home of the free and the brave - are often those who are in direct violation in word and action against the "principles" America is supposed to stand for. They are those that make racist, homophobic and xenophobic jokes, exclude anyone not of their...
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Eve, That's it exactly. Couldn't have said it better.
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Meanwhile, I continue to be amazed at how completely uninspiring, false and at times frightening our President appears. I watched with unsettled apprehension his national address the night of the attack .... the man has little or no public speaking ability at ALL. He looked so awkward, with his silly and obviously rehearsed hand gestures, patently insincere and downright unintelligent. He inspires no confidence whatsoever and gives no impression that he has a clue! It continues to amaze me...
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Eve is a genius! I agree, what makes me sadder than the loss of so much life is the idiots attacking muslim homes, businesses and houses of worship. If that is America ,send me to Mexico! I fear we will have to see as many anti-muslim bumper stickers and t-shirts as cheap little American flags waving.
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this is the worst text i have ever read! was he waving a flag while giving his speech? http://www.gay.com/news/article.html?2001/09/14/1
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This is the first time I have been on the boards since the tragedy, and I have to say...Eve, you are brilliant. I was with scott Lifschutz the other night and we were pouring over pictures of this years wigstock. It seemed like messages from another time. All the beauty in this community calling to us from that amazing day to remind us, on the other side of Tuesday, that we have a responsibility to carry on and keep up all the things that have made downtown special. I keep getting calls...
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We who hug this city by instinct, grateful to it's grandure and creativity, in my humble opinion now have the mission to examine how people cope with the worst, as well as with the best in urban life, starting with myself.
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Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson's comments, whose words and actions seek to capitalize on this human tragedy, show that there is a "Taliban" here in our own country, that seeks to undermine the very ideas of freedom and true faith with their hateful poses of piety. Fundamentalists such as these have been waging terrorism for years on medical professionals and abortion clinics, and their "Christian" rhetoric is an eerie echo of those faraway madmen. They have now revealed by their own words...
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Robertson has a history of making overt threats; in June 1998 he stated on the 700 Club that the city of Orlando could suffer "terrorist bombs...earthquakes, tornadoes and possibly a meteor" because the city flew gay pride flags. Despite Falwell's "backpeddling" to CNN (after he had already broadcast his message of hate to his following, no report of a retraction to that community), it's clear that this is part of a long-standing agenda to promulgate fear and hatred among Americans. GLAAD ...
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thank you for your eloquent comments Evelyn.
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the kind of people like falwell, who scare me almost more than the terrororists. Just what sorry excuse for a human!
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Father Mychal Judge, the NYC Fire Department Chaplain who perished, along with many others in that first wave of emergency response to "Ground Zero, was an openly gay priest, a fact the media seems to have "overlooked." [This message was edited by hatches on 09-15-01 at 04:49 PM.]
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http://www.yellow7.com/imagine/
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I came across this poem by W. H. Auden, written at the dawn of another war. http://www.poets.org/poems/poems.cfm?prmID=1391
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OK, so this is the poem that the famous "We must love one another or die" quote comes from. I've heard that in later publications of this piece, Auden made one slight, but significant change -- revising to "We must love one another *AND* die". Not sure what else to say about that, except "noted as interesting"... BTW, I'm Kathy Latzoni... if you're subscribed to the motherlove list, my intro/self-description is posted there as message #173. [or, if you're fascinated enough, the updated...
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Hi Kathy! Nice to see you here. Hatches, thanks so much for that poem. We loved it so much that JD did a new graphic of one verse of it with the Mother's End image for the top page at mothernyc.com. (Press link above left to see)