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I watched a fantastic (BBC) Documentary that was on PBS last night Elusive Peacel Israel and the Arabs. Just fascinating stuff, easy to understand and very revealing - Palestinian Foreign minister revealed that Bush has told him that God told him to invade Afghanistan and Iraq!!! Bush really was portrayed as just tactical and ignorant. (Lots of never before seen footage of real negotiations) . I must say though even though am not a huge Arafat fan I was even MORE outraged at the support and spin doctoring that Israel have done over the years. Insane! They even managed to wangle the UN to turn a blind eye after one particular masacre as they agreed to negotiate! Totally insane! I was sooo angry after I watched the whole doc I was about to give $ to Hamas! (well not really ... but almost!).
Watch it...if u can... interested to know others view on it...

http://www.thirteen.org/watch/program_info.php?program_id=22232&episode_num=0
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Read the CAMERA review: http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=3&x_outlet=18&x_article=992

While they are obviously viewing the conflict from the Israeli point of view, their point about the exclusion of Dennis Ross is well taken as are the facts about Jenin.

Although the situation in Britain is not as dire as that of France, where Jews are leaving in droves to escape violence, the word on the street is definitely that the BBC is increasingly fanning tensions with subtlely leading pieces.
I saw on last nights new the tabloid version of the Bin Ladin speech... just read on Aljazeera the full transcript.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/79C6AF22-98FB-4A...21F-2BC36E87F61F.htm

DO TRY TO READ IT ALL.

While i DO NOT condone any terrorist actions I did find this very well written and made me understand allot more. Of course Bin Ladin is always just portrayed as a demented mad man in the media so this was somewhat of an eye-opener (for me anyhow). Have an open mind and just read this.
Interested to know what you think.....

course now I am probably on some thought police list (so will YOU be) for reading Aljazeera! Ahh the land of the free eh! LOL
Thanks for posting that AN..I agree with you. Though Bin Laden is attached to his own mad way of seeing the world, it is indeed the rich money mad people like the Bushes and the Haliburtons
and all the war mongers who benefit from the making of war. We never asked ourselves why the terrorists hate US so much. Now it is easier to understand why they do. But all of this seems so much bigger than out tiny selves except that we do indeed have the power to vote in this country and to vote Bush out of office in the next election. There is so much injustice in the current administration where do we even begin to make sense of it all. The world is so full of self centered behavior these days that the only place to start is right inside our individual selves. Am I fair and honest? Do I treat others with kindness and respect? Can I be a better person? Can I be of greater help to the world around me? Most people easily point their finger at someone else offering blame to everyone else but themselves. To me it starts inside of each person and that means me. But I fear we may be too late in this dog eat dog and Me first world that we've all created.I try to remember that when I point my finger at others I have three pointing back at me. So it starts with each of us. Today is a good day to begin the turning of the tide. Today I seek to attempt to look inside myself first and try to make the changes that need to be made in order to become a better person and to help inspire the world around me to be better too.
And also to stand up and speak out against injustice and greed. Write letters, go to rallys, speak out whenever you have the chance before we loose the right to do so.
Bobby I totally agree with you, I don't know what the answer is either.
I found that speech very interesting as it sort of shed light on his justification... which to me is just as barking revengeful as Bush.... I TRULY think BUSH is just a wacky imperialist as Bin Ladin. I just think Bush has a finer tunes media machine spin doctored to the correct (mainly jew owned) power brokers.
I thought Spielberg really brave to make Munich as it really did spin the futility of it all the eye for an eye. The stupidity. Sadly no answer and sadly damaging and never healing on both sides.
Robert Fisk just wrote a good article in todays UK independent too if y'all have time
thttp://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk/article339819.ece
I think Bobby u r right u just have to think I and I .... be the person you wish the world to be .. however naive that may be in changing the world.
I just read in the UK edition of "The Week" that MP George Galloway who is currently on British TV in Celebrity Big Brother is donating his $ from the show from viewers votes to the Palestinian charity InterPal. Whether that is right/wrong, good/bad is not my point. My point is that the US is so badly biased in the media that something like THAT would NEVER get passed the censors. That really pisses me off that media spin that is alway in Israel / jewish favor. Cos its Sooooooooo hard to ever get the 'truth' or the reality of any of this when there is such a spin doctored slant.
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I highly recommend the Palestinian film "Paradise Now." (I think it's only playing at the Landmark Sunshine Cinema on Houstan bewteen 2nd and 3rd here in NYC). It's about two young Palestinian suicide bombers and it airs lots of great dialogue reflecting the real situation in Palestine. The stark contrasts between occupied Palestine and Israel proper is startling. This is a very profound film that will really blow you away.
Agreed about the american born support
Still feel that the Fisk piece is great as its soooo bloody rare to read in the media THAT side of the story....

Went to see Paradise Now last night - Thanks Stacy for that tip...POWERFUL!!! PHEW! as u say its all about learning the truth and what u can do with the truth when America ignores it.
It should be required viewing in America really!!! LOL

http://wip.warnerbros.com/paradisenow/

I truly think that everyone needs to wipe the slate of all preconceived ideas and look at all of this afresh. American is a large Zionist state so you are starting off with all that propaganda in your head, re think it all before you decide. Don't just read the insidious American media. And get to know Palestinians and hear them out. Its SOOOOOOOOOO biased here - even all the newspaper headlines today about Hamas are biased (read European headlines - much dif. take on it). Its alwasy Arafat as terrorist - yet both sides ARE terrorists in my mind. I just want a push for the people of Palestine so that they are heard and heard with an open mind.

Interesting to read interviews with the director of this movie ... how for so long the Oscars et al won't allow Palestinian movies in as its not recognized as a state!! Can u imagine if they did that to Israel!!! Amazing
I really don't want to polarize ... i just feel that it's almost impossible to deal with Americans who aren't Zionists as its what has been fed on this nation for centuries.
Hence my hope that all individuals (especially on these here boards) just take a step back and wiping the mental slate - for just a few seconds at least. I don't feel that people do that, enough.
I do feel that the black and white of the issue is that the US has turned its back on the Palestinians for years - this is basic human rights to me - It's all a big sad failure over there I know but I just hate it here that the balance is always in Isreals favor and this is not because of FACT which lead to opinion but in my belief is due to $ = power of voice.
I think you should watch that documentary I posted about earlier and go see the movie.
I am interested in watching how the Middle East roadmap will change with the new Hamas leadership. I hope that they will renounce violence as I hope that Israel will admit to the violence they too have caused.
hey have u ever read Conor Cruise OBriens The Siege?
Just had to post this news ...seeing as that the US media am SURE won't print it...

This from BBC News - Israeli soldier murder British documentary director
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4876176.stm

The shooting of a British film maker in Gaza was "cold-blooded murder", a security expert has told an inquest.
James Miller, 34, from Devon, was shot by a soldier from the Israeli Defence Force while making a film in a Palestinian refugee camp in 2003.

An Israeli investigation in April 2005 cleared a soldier of misusing firearms.

At St Pancras Coroner's Court in London, former weapons inspector Chris Cobb-Smith said there was no way the soldier fired by accident.


It is a soldier aiming and firing deliberately
Chris Cobb-Smith

"This was calculated and cold-blooded murder, without a shadow of a doubt," Mr Cobb-Smith said.

"These shots were not fired by a soldier who was frightened, not fired by a soldier facing incoming fire - these were slow, deliberate, calculated and aimed shots."

The 10-member inquest jury heard how Mr Miller had been wearing a helmet and flak jacket with the letters TV written in bright fluorescent tape as he approached the soldiers in Rafah at about 2300 on 2 May 2003.

He was holding a torch which shone on a large white flag being held by his interpreter.
For all the cowboy grandstanding the Administration does elsewhere in the world, they are big pussies about Israel. You would think they wouldn't give a damn about offending Jewish voters, yet they have a blind spot where Israel is concerned (and for that matter, so has every past U.S. president). No one is allowed to talk about it honestly here. I guess the world is accustomed to thinking of Jews as victims because of the Holocaust. But in Israel they are the power and are not exactly merciful in using it. Ariel Sharon was a total asshole and zealot who will not be missed.

But like so many other catastrophes in world history, religion is at the heart of the whole mess. "God" gave the Israelis their land so that gives them the right to bulldoze Palestinians out of their homes.
Merlin I am floored to hear about the Nevada test to come... googled it... it's to happen June 2nd.

They are calling it --
"The Divine Strake"

http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2006/04/14/ne...8725714f005b7c5d.txt

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/bunker-buster-ready-fo...1/1143441331987.html


"This will be the largest open-air chemical explosion we've conducted," said Darwin Morgan, a spokesman for the Energy Department's test site.

A spokeswoman Irene Smith said it would register between 3.1 and 3.4 on the Richter scale but that there would be "no adverse effects to surrounding facilities either on or off the Nevada test site".

Here we go again...
Can we impeach the psycho now, please


more insanity... goodbye, cruel world...

http://www.hnn.us/articles/23825.html

"Not only does the Bush administration steer clear of any negotiations that might entail U.S. nuclear disarmament, but it has pulled out of the ABM treaty and refused to support ratification of the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (negotiated and signed by former President Bill Clinton). According to the Defense Department's Quadrennial Defense Review Report of February 2006, "a robust nuclear deterrent . . . remains a keystone of U.S. national power."

Furthermore, there are clear signs that the Bush administration is shifting away from the traditional U.S. strategy of nuclear deterrence to a strategy of nuclear use. The nuclear Bunker Buster, for example, was not designed to deter aggression, but to destroy underground military targets. Moreover, in recent years, the U.S. Strategic Command has added new missions to its war plans, including the use of U.S. nuclear weapons for pre-emptive military action. Seymour Hersh's much-cited article in the New Yorker on preparations for a U.S. military attack upon Iran indicates that there has already been substantial discussion of employing U.S. nuclear weapons in that capacity.

This movement by the Bush administration toward a nuclear buildup and nuclear war highlights the double standard it uses in its growing confrontation with Iran, a country whose nuclear enrichment program is in accordance with its NPT commitments. Of course, Iran might use such nuclear enrichment to develop nuclear weapons--and that would be a violation of the NPT. But Bush administration policies already violate U.S. commitments under the treaty, and this fact appears of far less concern to Washington officialdom. Logic, however, does not seem to apply to this issue--unless, of course, it is the logic of world power."


.... I searched this AM.. there isn't one article about this in the NY Times.
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I think the US blindly support Israel simply out of geopolitical reasons. When and if the whole region becomes a combat zone about the time oil is going to totally run out the US will have a military logistical foothold in Israel. The question of nukes and the region has been on a boil for some time. It was the late Israeli prime minister Menachem Begin, who started his political career as an Israeli terrorist with the job of dynamiting British Army hospitals in Palestine, who finished his career sending high tech jets to erradicate Sadam Hussein's only nuclear power plant. Now the new leader of Iran talks about how it would only take one bomb to erradicate Israel, which is more traditional nuclear madness since it would also unavoidably erradicate all the Palestinians -but then it is well known that most the Arab and mid-east countries don't really want to deal with the Palestinians themselves either except as a great excuse to bitch about Western Power and Zionist oppression, so they aren't any less hypocrites than the western governments they bark about when it comes to solving the Palestinians' problems with Israel. You don't think the Saudis or Iranians could build all the hospitals, schools, airports, train stations and government administrative infrastructure that the Palestinians need? Please. But they will gladly raise money for arms shipments to the Palestinians. Probably the best way to get rid of the problem since by armed struggle the Palestinians will have thier own population decimated and their own society ruined even further. In fact, 'suicide' bombers are a hallmark of a lost, failing or non-existent society and there isn't one example in all of human history where the people who kill themselves are the winners of a conflict. With Little Bush having only a couple years left in office I am sure we will get to see his swan song of depravity soon. His holy concern for human life is one of the most atrocious hypocrisies he trots around the globe, some of the scars he is inflicting on his own country will certainly never be repaired.
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