2008 Presidential Elections part 2

Excuse me for putting this bee in our bonnets but have any of us considered that John McCaine might ask Rudy to run on his ticket as vice president?

I honestly find that hard to believe. Rudy bombed so badly I think McCaine knows he would be a liability. But then again, you never know....

You never know. I just saw an interview with McCaine and he was praising Rudy beyond measure. But I for one would like to see Rudy put on a rocket ship to Mars.

Ed Koch paraphrases Chi Chi on Giuliani's demise!!

Chi Chi said "The Witch is dead"

Ed Koch said the Florida results "put a stake though his heart. THE BEAST IS DEAD."

I'm no fan of Ed Koch, but this is good stuff.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/29/ed-koch-on-giulianis-flo_n_83953.html

Guiliani as Veep nominee ... nauseating, but interesting. She would join the second-tier cast of characters angling for their own piece of the pie. Wesley Clark angling for Secretary of State. John Edwards angling for Attorney General. And so on. We'll see what happens, but for now let's just enjoy that guttersnipe getting roasted over a bed of hot coals, shall we?

Koch is an unhinged queen to be sure. With Dems like her, who needs Republicans? Still, NYC could use another deranged queen running things. Miss Understood for Mayor.

Rudiani for batboy.

Watching Obama and Hillary 'debate' last night was really inspiring, it seemed they even LIKED each other! He is a dream candidate, I'm just praying it all stays on the up and up and he gets the nomination, and gets elected fairly, etc. etc. etc. by the enormous popular vote he is already calling out!
I am so, so sick of the Old White Males dragging everything into shite!!!

I enjoy the BBC news on the radio when I drive home in the AM, and they were interviewing people in Chicago and how many people said exactly that, they were sick of the Establishment and wanted someone new and fresh and owing nothing to Big Oil or Big Shite.

A few minutes later they announced Exxon made $40 BILLION in profit last year and Shell $30 Billion. Can we fight, fight fight the powers that be?

I am running out to vote in the caucus which I never did before. Obama is in Santa Fe tonightand I am going to try to get in and hear him speak.

LOVE!

I am so crazy I was actually singing "This is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius" in the car... it just popped into my head spontaneously... Alester Crowley did say it wuld take at least 200 years from the first dawn (late 1800s) to fulfill the Rule of the Pure Child.

I'm with you S'tan. I believe that Barack Obama is our only hope.

I enjoyed the debate as well ... as someone who watched most of the previous debates, it's so strange to see only 2 candidates remaining. Everyone is split on who "won". Many are saying Barack won because he one-upped her on her war vote and forced her into a corner where she actually tried to pretend she didn't know Bush was going to use military force in Iraq and that he misled her. BAH!

Others claim Hillary has better command of the issues. It was clear that both are comfortable with where they are in the race and didn't want to rock the boat too much. Nonetheless, I'm glad Barack reminded people that his candidacy is inspiring a whole new generation of voters. So true, though we can chalk much up to sheer disgust with the Bush administration. Now that people's homes and wallets are being hit hard, watch out Republicans! Kerry only had Iraq as a bargaining chip. But hell hath no fury like a Midwesterner defrauded.

My main concern at this point is that, with Super Tuesday just days away, it is too late for Barack to build enough momentum to topple the support Hillary already has nailed down. If he doesn't do strong on Tuesday he is essentially finished. I can hardly stand the excitement!

The real challenge is that the repugnentcans love to hate Hilary. They can drag out even old news about the clintons and add a touch of sulfur and make it sound fresh. Hillary is hated by them and for no real reason. I don't think they even know why they hate her. As for Barack, he is a bigger challenge to them. They don't dare play the race card or try to slander him. I don't think he has any skeletons in his closet. I worry that if Hilary is elected they will be able to tear her apart enough to get the middle american voters to really come out against her. This is going to be a very ugly and important election.

I just read in the Daily News that Ann Coulter says that if John McCain gets the Republican nomination she will vote and campaign for Hilary.

I told you that bitch is crazy.

I saw the video yesterday of Ann on Hannity & Colmes ranting about how awful McCain is. It made me momentarily rethink my pledged support of Hillary in a general election format, then I reminded myself that Ann is nothing but an insane, grenade-throwing plagerizer who must be taken with a grain of salt.

Also one must take into account that Ann - in theory at least - has a vagina between her legs. I suspect the actualization of a female president, even a far-less-than-ideal one like Hillary, is deeply intriguing to American women of all socio-economic classes, races, ages and political affiliations. It is deeply intriguing to me too, though I'm far from convinced that the country will be any better off with a woman running it (see Margaret Thatcher). Hillary's intelligence and perserverance against all odds is inspiring, and perhaps, on some level, Ann too has been seduced.

here is the email I sent out today....

Dear Friends,


I am writing to you as the Democratic primary approaches tomorrow when we will be choosing the Democratic nominee for President. Many of you have already made up your minds. If you haven't I'd just like to take a moment to express my feelings on the significance of this primary.

I have been undecided throughout most of the campaign. First I was for Kucinich, since I agree with him the most on the issues (he was the only candidate to oppose the death penalty and support a single payer health care system) Then I was for Edwards, because he has the most progressive economic plan of the 3 top candidates. John Edwards was the only candidate focusing on what needs to be done to create economic justice in this country.

However, with Edwards dropping out, the choice is between Clinton and Obama.

I will be voting for Obama, with some reservations.

On most issues there is not much of a difference between Clinton and Obama. There are some points I agree with her more and some with him more. But on a crucial test of judgement, whether to go to war in Iraq, he was right and she was wrong. She might say she was only voting to authorize the use of force, but we all know what that vote meant and many other Senators
had the foresight to vote no. Ted Kennedy and Barbara Boxer voted no. Barak Obama clearly spoke out against this disaster. If we face McCain in November we need to have a clear position on this issue.

I still have serious concerns about Obama's economic proposals (His health care plan falls short, I'm just hoping that a Democratic congress can push him to the left on this critical issue), but I think, on balance he is the more progressive and electable candidate.

I also think we need a nominee and president who can inspire people on a global scale. Obama can do that. His election would fundamentally alter how the world views America and how we view ourselves.

And, importantly, polls show him winning against McCain and Hillary Clinton losing to McCain.

This article in the Nation on is particularly good.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080218/hayes

Anyway. Polls are open in new York from 6am to 9pm tomorrow

to find your polling place, go here......

http://www.vote.nyc.ny.us/pollingplaces.html

Whether Obama or Clinton is the nominee, I hope we can all join together to win back the white house in November.

I hope you are having an amazing day :-)

love,

Michael

Thanks, Michael. I, too, have been really undecided and gone back and forth on who gets my vote. Just reading your post, I still think I'm not really going to know until I'm voting tomorrow, and just listen to what my instincts tell me.

Thought I'd share this post from Eric Leven's blog (one of our Rapture readers and one of New York's most inspiring young queer activists):

Monday, February 4, 2008
Obama-Clinton

I'm ecstatic to be alive during a time when the first woman and black man run for president and make American history. Tomorrow I will join my fellow citizens and vote toward the future of this nation. I am a fan of Clinton and I am a fan of Obama and I think either would make a great President. So, who will get my vote?

* I have been alive for 26 years- 19 of those years have been lived with a Bush or Clinton in office.

* This nation is divided. Republicans vs. Democrats. Many who oppose Clinton seem to simply hate her. I don't know why this is, but if she were elected, that hatred would remain, further keeping us, as a nation, divided. You're right. You're wrong. We're tired.

* Clinton has White House experience. Obama does not. I'm okay with the idea of someone fresh taking office. I like the idea of out with the old, in with the new.

* Clinton knows what to do on day one. Obama has a vision.

I don't need Clinton's experience to pave the way for Obama to take office in four years. I'm ready for him and change and a new energy, now.

Eric's blog can be read at:

http://knucklecrack.blogspot.com/

From Margaret Cho:

I am in the closet.

Not sexually of course, because anyone who knows me knows I am up for anything with anybody. I take all comers. I am an equal opportunity destroyer. So, I am not in that kind of closet. I am in the Democratic Primary closet. I know a lot of people in this closet. We can't talk about it. We are "undecided" in the polls. We are the ones everyone is fighting over. But I don't want to be in this closet, not anymore. I am outing myself.

I am bi-candidate. I like Hillary and Obama. I like Obama and Hillary. I think it is wonderful that we have not just one, but two great candidates to choose from. It is an embarrassment of riches really. Not just one amazing politician. But two! We have the incredibly exciting Barack Obama, who represents hope and change and who can get a whole generation of disillusioned voters excited about politics again, which I think I is a miracle in itself. Then we have the amazing Hillary Clinton, who has already proved herself to be a great leader, who can and will clean up after the Bush administration just like she did the last time she was president.

I can't decide. And so I don't want to tell anyone who I voted for because almost exactly half my friends are into Hillary and the other half are all about Obama, so no matter who I vote for, half my ass will get kicked, which should be ok, because at least I will have the other half of my ass to use for campaigning for my favorite candidate (even though it might look half-assed).

I voted last week, several days early, since I am a permanent absentee voter and have the luxury of voting in the privacy of my own home in my own time. I picked the candidate that I liked best, the one who I thought would do the best job. I filled in my bubble all the way, using blue ink to represent my blue state of mind and put my ballot in the mail. Then, I got worried I had made the wrong choice. I kept thinking about going back into the mailbox and fishing out my ballot and changing it. I really thought about doing this even though it is very illegal! I thought, hmm, maybe if I took a coathanger, stretched it out, secured a small flashlight with tape to the wire so I could find my ballot, put a piece of chewed gum on the end so I could somehow fish my ballot out, etc... I think I got all these ideas from an old episode of The Little Rascals. Then I realized that even if I broke the law and went to all this trouble to do this it probably wouldn't do me any good anyway because I had already filled in one bubble and I couldn't really erase it to fill in the other one. Then, what would happen if I changed my mind again? So I just left it.

The only way I could be happy is if Obama and Clinton were on the same ticket. Please God, let this happen.

Hilary's tanking...

See article below... I liked Frank Rich's analysis of *why* ...
at the end he rates Bill Clinton's trash-talking and "the spectre of a dual-presidency" as partly responsible...

As well Hillary's camp is trying to characterize Obama as some kind of chic liberal candidate... meanwhile at my NM caucus poll a bunch of old Chicano famers were all voting for him... everyone was talking out loud about it!


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/opinion/24rich.html?e...4403c243c&ei=5087%0A



February 24, 2008
Op-Ed Columnist
The Audacity of Hopelessness
By FRANK RICH

WHEN people one day look back at the remarkable implosion of the Hillary Clinton campaign, they may notice that it both began and ended in the long dark shadow of Iraq.

It's not just that her candidacy's central premise "” the priceless value of "experience" "” was fatally poisoned from the start by her still ill-explained vote to authorize the fiasco. Senator Clinton then compounded that 2002 misjudgment by pursuing a 2008 campaign strategy that uncannily mimicked the disastrous Bush Iraq war plan. After promising a cakewalk to the nomination "” "It will be me," Mrs. Clinton told Katie Couric in November "” she was routed by an insurgency.
...

And no matter how much bad stuff happened, she kept to the Bush playbook, stubbornly clinging to her own Rumsfeld, her chief strategist, Mark Penn. Like his prototype, Mr. Penn is bigger on loyalty and arrogance than strategic brilliance. But he's actually not even all that loyal. Mr. Penn, whose operation has billed several million dollars in fees to the Clinton campaign so far, has never given up his day job as chief executive of the public relations behemoth Burson-Marsteller....

Clinton fans don't see their standard-bearer's troubles this way. In their view, their highly substantive candidate was unfairly undone by a lightweight showboat who got a free ride from an often misogynist press and from naïve young people who lap up messianic language as if it were Jim Jones's Kool-Aid. Or as Mrs. Clinton frames it, Senator Obama is all about empty words while she is all about action and hard work.

But it's the Clinton strategists, not the Obama voters, who drank the Kool-Aid. The Obama campaign is not a vaporous cult; it's a lean and mean political machine that gets the job done. The Clinton camp has been the slacker in this race, more words than action, and its candidate's message, for all its purported high-mindedness, was and is self-immolating.

The gap in hard work between the two campaigns was clear well before Feb. 5. Mrs. Clinton threw as much as $25 million at the Iowa caucuses without ever matching Mr. Obama's organizational strength. In South Carolina, where last fall she was up 20 percentage points in the polls, she relied on top-down endorsements and the patina of inevitability, while the Obama campaign built a landslide-winning organization from scratch at the grass roots. In Kansas, three paid Obama organizers had the field to themselves for three months; ultimately Obama staff members outnumbered Clinton staff members there 18 to 3.

In the last battleground, Wisconsin, the Clinton campaign was six days behind Mr. Obama in putting up ads and had only four campaign offices to his 11. Even as Mrs. Clinton clings to her latest firewall "” the March 4 contests "” she is still being outhustled. Last week she told reporters that she "had no idea" that the Texas primary system was "so bizarre" (it's a primary-caucus hybrid), adding that she had "people trying to understand it as we speak." ....

This is the candidate who keeps telling us she's so competent that she'll be ready to govern from Day 1. Mrs. Clinton may be right that Mr. Obama has a thin résumé, but her disheveled campaign keeps reminding us that the biggest item on her thicker résumé is the health care task force that was as botched as her presidential bid.

Given that Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama offer marginally different policy prescriptions "” laid out in voluminous detail by both, by the way, on their Web sites "” it's not clear what her added-value message is. The "experience" mantra has been compromised not only by her failure on the signal issue of Iraq but also by the deadening lingua franca of her particular experience, Washingtonese. ...

As for countering what she sees as the empty Obama brand of hope, she offers only a chilly void: Abandon hope all ye who enter here. This must be the first presidential candidate in history to devote so much energy to preaching against optimism, against inspiring language and "” talk about bizarre "” against democracy itself. No sooner does Mrs. Clinton lose a state than her campaign belittles its voters as unrepresentative of the country.

Bill Clinton knocked states that hold caucuses instead of primaries because "they disproportionately favor upper-income voters" who "don't really need a president but feel like they need a change." After the Potomac primary wipeout, Mr. Penn declared that Mr. Obama hadn't won in "any of the significant states" outside of his home state of Illinois. This might come as news to Virginia, Maryland, Washington and Iowa, among the other insignificant sites of Obama victories. The blogger Markos Moulitsas Zúniga has hilariously labeled this Penn spin the "insult 40 states" strategy.

The insults continued on Tuesday night when a surrogate preceding Mrs. Clinton onstage at an Ohio rally, Tom Buffenbarger of the machinists' union, derided Obama supporters as "latte-drinking, Prius-driving, Birkenstock-wearing, trust-fund babies." Even as he ranted, exit polls in Wisconsin were showing that Mr. Obama had in fact won that day among voters with the least education and the lowest incomes. Less than 24 hours later, Mr. Obama received the endorsement of the latte-drinking Teamsters.....

The single biggest factor in Hillary Clinton's collapse is less sexism in general than one man in particular "” the man who began the campaign as her biggest political asset. The moment Bill Clinton started trash-talking about Mr. Obama and raising the specter of a co-presidency, even to the point of giving his own televised speech ahead of his wife's on the night she lost South Carolina, her candidacy started spiraling downward.

Well, I have to say although I voted for Obama, I'm liking Hillary a bit more lately. Perhaps it's just the underdog thing. She was hilarious on Saturday Night Live and her health plan is much better than his. On balance I still lean a bit to him, but at this point I am fine with either of them. (I still wish John Edwards had done better and I had been able to vote for him)

I digress a bit here, but is anyone else RIVETED by McCain's wife? She reminds me of the animated doll enthusiasts and space goddess/hypnotic stare fetishists that I once interviewed for Penthouse.com, or perhaps is the first aspiring First Lady-bot..Wonder if the alt.sex.fetish.sexy.robot peeps have discovered her yet?

Is she scary or WHAT? And kind of ageless on camera but I have a feeling she has been pulled and lifted to that state of seamless face. But then she smiles and it all turns into fem-bot for sure.

I used to think Condoleezza was a really cool robot.
(Sorry pretty, I know you like her)
She never seemed real to me.
But this one!

The Republicans have perfected it!
She is riviting.
They have taken Stepford wives into the 21st century.

The McCains' two decade age difference truly gives hope to aging conservatives everywhere.

I know an aging Conservative.

Just don't say her name aloud please.

So funny you guys caught that. Everytime McCain speaks all I can do is watch Cindy.

At least we finally have a Republican wife who has transcended the 1950s big hair archetype.

I'm not as concerned as the rest of the DNC about all this sparring between Hillary and Obama. In a way I think it's great. It's knocked Hillary off her high horse and gives us a chance to see exactly how tough Obama really is. Besides, I kind of admire how Hillary's slugging it out and not giving up.

Yesterday she alluded to the possibility of a Clinton-Obama ticket. The fact is, she needs him much more than he needs her. He has attracted millions of new voters into the fold in droves, while she has not grown past her entrenched base. If he becomes the nominee, he'd be stupid to pick her. There are plenty of women governors he could choose as running mate who would bring all the advantages Hillary would bring but none of the baggage. If she becomes the nominee however, she risks disenfranchising all those youngins who worship Obama.

Hillary Clinton is helping John McCain

"The bigger the lie, the better the chance they think they've got. That's been their whole approach."

-- Former Sen. Bill Bradley (D-NJ), quoted by the Times of London, on Sen. Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign.

By constantly saying Obama is not ready to be President while McCain is, she is doing her best to ruin his chances against McCain if Obama ends up being the nominee. She says all this while at the same time saying she would pick Obama to be her Vice President. Obama has never said anything this damaging that could be used by the Republicans against Clinton in the fall. She is willing to destroy the Democratic Party's chances if she doesn't get to be the nominee. It's disgusting. If the Republicans end up winning in November, much of the blame will have to go to Hillary Clinton.

quote:

By constantly saying Obama is not ready to be President while McCain is, she is doing her best to ruin his chances against McCain if Obama ends up being the nominee. She says all this while at the same time saying she would pick Obama to be her Vice President. Obama has never said anything this damaging that could be used by the Republicans against Clinton in the fall. She is willing to destroy the Democratic Party's chances if she doesn't get to be the nominee. It's disgusting. If the Republicans end up winning in November, much of the blame will have to go to Hillary Clinton.

I don't care for it either, although I think part of it is Clinton trying her best to be bipartisan. Obama is winning a handful of cross-over votes, and McCain has always appealed to moderates. She might be subtly attempting to crib some of his swing vote, although she's certainly doing it at a cost, and does she honestly agree that we should be in Iraq for another century?

Blogger Joe.My.God. just posted this - an ad for a school in Brussels. Genius.

Michigan re-vote dead. This is a train wreck and Obama should have let the primary go forward. I'm pissed at him now. Ugh.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/20/michigan-...r-dies/index.html?hp

"WASHINGTON - Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Friday she has apologized to Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama for an incident in which State Department contractors unnecessarily reviewed his passport file."

The article then goes on to state...

"The disclosure of inappropriate passport inquiries recalled an incident in 1992, when a Republican political appointee at the State Department was demoted over a search of presidential candidate Bill Clinton's passport records. At the time he was challenging President George H.W. Bush."

I'm kind of at a loss for words.

Oh sorry, that piece was taken from msnbc.com.

Now they are saying all the candidate's passport files have been illegally accessed.

One more failure to add to the already lengthy list of Condi-Aunt Jemima's incompetencies.

Meanwhile I'm becoming increasingly depressed, bored even, by this entire primary. The Democrats are imploding -- again. It's such a bad cliche. If there's any party that can screw up a sure thing, it's the Democrats, a party that has never been unified and probably never will be. And McCain will walk away with the prize.

And if McCain wins...Argentina here we come!

I've become so accustomed to Hillary's current look that I get a little shock when seeing old footage of her - like the one circulating now of her in Bosnia - with some of those 90s hair styles. At one point she had an Anna Wintour bob. I completely forgot about that phase.

Maureen Dowd

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/26/opinion/26dowd.html?hp

Amazing article by Maureen Dowd. So right on it. Thx for posting that lily.

I know, I feel the same way. I voted for Obama at the primaries but I was thinking of Hillary for Pres. Even though I don*t really like her all that much. I am at a loss cause NONE of them are liberal enough for me!!! So again I guess it is the *least of the EVILS!* Patti Smith is supporting Ralph Nader!!! Here we go again! He dosn*t stand a chance in HELL. Although I agree with him on just about everything, he will not get in! And I hate to think I wasted a vote that could have been used to keep the RepubliKKKans out!!! I think I will just move to a cave in the Amazon! As long as I can get Direct Tv and and listen to my IPod I would be happy! Mayby I would meet a Tarzan and go back to the trees!!! And I always wanted a pet Chimp!!! Jayne County

quote:

Originally posted by mr.joe:
Thanks, Michael. I, too, have been really undecided and gone back and forth on who gets my vote. Just reading your post, I still think I'm not really going to know until I'm voting tomorrow, and just listen to what my instincts tell me.

Thought I'd share this post from Eric Leven's blog (one of our Rapture readers and one of New York's most inspiring young queer activists):

Monday, February 4, 2008
Obama-Clinton

I'm ecstatic to be alive during a time when the first woman and black man run for president and make American history. Tomorrow I will join my fellow citizens and vote toward the future of this nation. I am a fan of Clinton and I am a fan of Obama and I think either would make a great President. So, who will get my vote?

* I have been alive for 26 years- 19 of those years have been lived with a Bush or Clinton in office.

* This nation is divided. Republicans vs. Democrats. Many who oppose Clinton seem to simply hate her. I don't know why this is, but if she were elected, that hatred would remain, further keeping us, as a nation, divided. You're right. You're wrong. We're tired.

* Clinton has White House experience. Obama does not. I'm okay with the idea of someone fresh taking office. I like the idea of out with the old, in with the new.

* Clinton knows what to do on day one. Obama has a vision.

I don't need Clinton's experience to pave the way for Obama to take office in four years. I'm ready for him and change and a new energy, now.

Eric's blog can be read at:

http://knucklecrack.blogspot.com/

I don*t like Rice at all. I kind of feel sorry for her. She is trapped and brainwashed by neo con right wing crap. The fact that she is a woman and or black makes no difference. She is wrong on all accounts. The RepubliKKKan Party is full of racists, fascists homo and transphobes and women haters! Sorry, Uncle Tom*s Cabin has been BURNT DOWN and Master King George Bush is a disgrace to the entire human race, both white, black, purple and pink! And anyone who supports them is EQUALLY to blame for all their bullcrap as they are! If anyone supports a party that seeks to do me wrong then they are my enemy and I will fight them tooth and nail no matter who they are or how cool they think they are. They support murder, war and discrimination and should be ashamed!!! I have no pity for fools! Especially fools who support fascists who want to deny me my rights or send me off to some concentration camp! AmeriKan Nazis are no better than the German ones or the Russian Stalinists! In order to survive in the future YOU are going to have to be able to know who your enemies are, and WHO IS SUPPORTING THEM!!! We knew who the enemy was when we were rioting at STONEWALL. We knew in 1967 and we knew in 1977! As the divisions in this country grow even wider everyone is going to be forced to make a choice. Just like the follow up to the first American Civil War, we now stand at the point where we may have to once again fight for our rights. And if you don*t know who your enemies are then I am afraid you won*t make it!!! I suggest a new act of succession. All the progressive states form an alliance to protect themselves from people who want to bring in repressive measures against certain factions of the American People. A sort of UNITED PROGRESSIVE STATES OF AMERICA. Then we could align ourselves with Canada and Western Europe while the rest of the country can be JESUS LAND, or simple remain the United States of AmeriKKKa. I really don*t see much recourse! I don*t think Obama or anyone else for that matter will be able to bring the American People together! How can they when so many Amerikans remain in the Dark Ages and seek to turn America in to AmeriKa, a backward, Right Wing Theocracy! (Go on and Google that and be HORRIFIED) Cause that is exactly where a large number of ultlra conservatives want to take this country. Imigine an America, as a huge right wing FASCIST STATE that seeks to controll the entire world*s economy and resourses. There you have the Neo Cons. Neo Conservatives. And like New Nazis they could bring this country and the world to the brink of total DESTRUCTION!!!!!!!!!! And don*t think it can*t happen. Just study your history from Ancient Sumer (First civilization), Babylon (Modern day Iraq), the Greeks (Under Alexander) and Persians (Iran) the Romans, Holy Roman Empire (A vicious Theocracy that murdered millions!), The Crusades (Where Muslems and Christians tried to anilate each other!) Nepoleon*s quest to conquer the world, various Civil Wars, World wars 1. and 2. (Where Germany tried to bring back the Holy Roman Empire!) untill now and be amazed!!! And remember one fact. History ALWAYS repeats itself. And if we don*t or can*t, learn from history and our past mistakes, then we are fucked!!! Motto. KNOW YOUR ENEMIES!!! by Jayne County

quote:

Originally posted by daddy:
I used to think Condoleezza was a really cool robot.
(Sorry pretty, I know you like her)
She never seemed real to me.
But this one!

The Republicans have perfected it!
She is riviting.
They have taken Stepford wives into the 21st century.

Well, whatever happens gang, we can all take refuge in knowing that we all stand together! I wish MORE people would become involved. I think most people think like this: *Oh well, whatever. What can I do? The world is just too big for me to take on! Now, what time are we gonna meet up at the cock, do you think there will be coke there and alot of hunky men!* Not that theres ANYTHING wrong with that, (Been there done that!! he he) but when you center your whole world around it, reality is sure to catch up with you! Like, HOLY SHIT I AM MOVING TO AMSTERDAM!!! LOL! You know, going out into the streets and demonstrating, causing a bit of a problem really does help. That is how the STONEWALL riots started! It was FUCK YOU I HAVE HAD ENOUGH!!! I think people need to get ANGRY again! We do not need to *behave* like nice little queens and faggies! Honey, you don*t get nothing done being a lap dog for the master if you don*t reach up and bite his ass every once in awhile. All people who have had to fight for their rights know this! DO NOT BEHAVE. ACT UP BE LOUD SCREAM SHOUT AND STOMP YOUR WAY INTO THE PROMISED LAND! We as Gay People and their friends and supporters deserve to CROSS THE JORDAN with everyone else who are fighting for their right to be treated with dignity and respect! You DO NOT have to be left in the middle of the RED SEA of hate and bigotry. African Americans FOUGHT BACK and are still fighting and look around you now! The IRISH had to fight when they first came to this land where they were despised by their English lords! So did the Italians! Gender rights are just as important, mayby even more so!!! WE ARE A PEOPLE just like any other! In the early days of our Native Americans, we were the SHAMANS and SPIRIT WALKERS of the tribes. In ancient Greece and Rome we were worshiped as Gods and Goddesses. All thru history GLBT people have been treated with respect and awe. Then came the three religions of hatred. All of a sudden it was all about HETROSEXUALITY and all others were considered SATANIC and evil!!! The leaders in the churches twist the teachings of Jesus and the Bible and use them as an excuse for hate! Nowhere in the Bible does Jesus condem us!!! In fact, he scorned the Pharasees and sat at the table with prostitutes tax collectors and other so called outcasts of society. He said, *It is these people that I have come to!!!* But Christians don*t want you to know what HE really said. He also said, *There is neither Greek nor Jew, MALE NOR FEMALE in the Kingdom of God.* and *That even the eunuch shall enter into The Kingdom of God.* Also you find *Angels are genderless!* So why do Christians and Right Wing Bigots use the Bible to condem us? Because they are not real Christians, just a bunch of ignunt, backward thinking Neanderthals. Their way of thinking does not deserve to exist in our modern day world. I am not religious. But I was raised in a religious household and had the Bible shoved down my throat at an early age, so I KNOW WHAT IT SAYS!!! So I say, let*t just get together and fight the powers that be any way we can. The streets, EMAILS, voting booths, the PHONE, MY SPACE, YOU TUBE, THE INTERNET!!! Please don*t sit back and take the bullshit they throw at you!!! Fight back! I can do it! You can do it! WE ALL CAN DO IT!!!!!!!!!! Sincerely Jayne County (Photo taken by Jayne County at last March*s March On Wash.) Please visit my blog at" http://rockandrollantirepublikkkanleague.blogspot.com/

OBAMA.

In like Flynn.

Did you know that,
"In like Flynn"
is a wink-wink phrase that originated when
Erol Flynn, the mega-star of golden age Holywood swashbuckler movies, was apprehended keeping a young teenage girl for sex on his yacht?

Today it would be 'In like Clinton (Bill).'

Today's newsletter from the Obama campaign

Friend --

News broke this morning that Senator Clinton made three separate loans to her
campaign in the past 30 days -- including one as recently as Monday.

These loans total more than $6.4 million, which combined with her previous personal
loans, add up to at least $11.4 million she's loaned her campaign since February.

A spokesman said she may continue to "loan the campaign additional money out of her
jointly-held assets" -- which include more than $100 million in income since her
husband left the White House.

Meanwhile, by winning a double-digit victory in North Carolina and closing the gap
in Indiana, Barack won another 100 delegates.

Barack Obama is now just 169 delegates away from winning the Democratic nomination.
It's within sight.

This is a decisive moment in this race.

Barack has already won more votes, more delegates, and more than twice as many
states as Senator Clinton, whose path to the nomination has grown extremely narrow.
But these loans show that her campaign will continue to contest the remaining
primaries vigorously.

We need to show that the voices of more than 1.5 million ordinary people donating
whatever they can afford are more powerful than one person giving more than $11
million to their own campaign.

Now is the time add your voice to our historic movement. Make a donation of $25 to
match Senator Clinton's loan:

https://donate.barackobama.com/results

Here's the math of where we stand ...

There are only six contests remaining on the Democratic primary calendar and only
217 pledged delegates left to be awarded. Only 7% of the pledged delegates remain on
the table. There are 253 remaining undeclared superdelegates, for a total of 470
delegates left to be awarded.

With North Carolina and Indiana complete, Barack Obama only needs 169 total
delegates to capture the Democratic nomination. This is only 36% of the total
remaining delegates.

Conversely, Senator Clinton needs 326 delegates to reach the Democratic nomination,
which represents a startling 69% of the remaining delegates.

With the Clinton path to the nomination getting even narrower, we expect new and
wildly creative scenarios to emerge in the coming days.

While those scenarios may be entertaining, they are not legitimate and will not be
considered legitimate by this campaign or its millions of supporters, volunteers,
and donors.

You can help make sure Barack Obama is the nominee. Please make a donation of $25 now:

https://donate.barackobama.com/results

We want to be clear -- we believe that the winner of a majority of pledged delegates
will be and should be the nominee of our party.

And we estimate that after the Oregon and Kentucky primaries on May 20th, we will
have won a majority of the overall pledged delegates.

Evidently, the Clinton campaign agrees. According to a recent news report, by even
their most optimistic estimates the Clinton campaign expects to trail by more than
100 pledged delegates and will then ask the superdelegates to overturn the will of
the voters.

But we have our own case to make: that millions of Americans volunteering their time
and donating in small amounts have built a campaign that has won the most delegates,
the most states, and the most votes.

And this campaign -- your campaign -- will be the one that wins the presidency in
November and delivers a wave of support for Democrats at every level of office.

Now is the time to step up and make it happen by owning a piece of this campaign.
Make a donation of $25 today:

https://donate.barackobama.com/results

We'll be in touch as the situation evolves.

Thank you,

David

David Plouffe
Campaign Manager
Obama for America

Donate: https://donate.barackobama.com/results

Now I've read that Obama is open to the idea of Hillary as his VP. I'm not sure how I feel about that. I know the thinking is that such a ticket would heal the rift in the party. But for Obama, it dilutes his brand. I mean, if he's supposed to represent a new way of doing things and turning a page, then hitching the Clintons to his bandwagon goes against all that. Also he should think about if he wants to risk being seen as a co-president, because surely Bill and Hillary will be running amok at every chance they get. Well, maybe not.

Months ago I said he'd be smarter to pick some other white woman who could bring all the positives to his ticket Hillary would bring but none of the negatives. However that was before this race became so long and cumbersome. Now I'm not so sure.

People say Hillary is tough, and in a sense I agree. It takes someone superhuman to get up at the crack of dawn and be on a campaign trail every day for over a year and to have taken all the attacks she's taken for nearly the last fifteen years and keep going.

But on ethics and issues, she's not tough at all. She waffles. She's a panderer. Her vote for the invasion of Iraq, the most important of her entire career, was purely for political expediency and nothing more. Her support of the summer gas tax freeze is the same thing. She does whatever she thinks will make her look good. The only thing she's stuck with is health care.

what is at stake this year

I was originally a Kucinich supporter since I felt he had the most progressive policies. Then, when it appeared John Edwards was gaining more traction I planned on voting for him in New York in the hopes that he would get some delegates and fight for economic justice at the convention. When he dropped out, I was left with Hillary and Obama. I had problems with both of them. I preferred her Health Plan but was still upset with her vote on the Iraq War and I had serious concerns that she would follow the triangulation policies of her husband in the white house (Welfare Reform, Defense of Marriage Act, expansion of the Death Penalty), so I voted for Obama with reservations.

I approach this election as a progressive. I vote for the candidate I think offers the best hope of progressive change that will have the greatest effect on people's lives. The racial and gender considerations are secondary at best.

Whatever happened, my intention has always been to support the nominee, no matter who I supported in the primary. The issue differences between Obama and Clinton are miniscule when compared with McCain. In all truth, this primary has been a personality contest between two center left politicians.


Which is why I cannot understand the vitriol between Obama and Clinton supporters. I voted for Obama, but if Clinton won the nomination, even by using Super Delegates to thwart the will of the elected delegates, I would support her in November. The stakes are too high to sulk if my candidate doesn't get the nomination. We have to keep this in perspective.

There will be at least 3 Supreme Court vacancies in the next few years, all Liberals. If McCain wins, it's all over, and not just Abortion Rights, but church state separation and are constitutional government as we know it. There will be no action on health care, none, leading to more suffering, the war in Iraq will rage on forever and more people will needlessly die. It goes on and on.

We need to think beyond our candidates and focus on the millions of lives that will be devastated by a McCain presidency.

That is the situation we are in. The Democratic nominee must win in November. It is a matter of survival for a lot of people and we cannot let this internal popularity contest enable a continuation of the Bush presidency. If we do, people will suffer and die and it will be our fault for letting the true reason we all care about politics disappear behind the shouting of Clinton and Obama partisans.

OBAMA!

Obama is the real deal.

Far from being a credit to the female voters in this country, the choice of Sarah Palin as the first Republican VP nominee is condescending and insulting to women. In selecting Palin over the legions of far more qualified women in his party (Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, Elizabeth Dole, Kay Bailey Hutchinson, to name but a few), McCain makes it clear that, in his view, American women are guillible and stupid enough to vote for anything with a vagina between its legs.

The fact that Palin is a former beauty queen is equally telling. At best, it's an old man's desperate attempt to seem relevant by putting a pretty face on the ticket, a la Bush 41 with Dan Quayle. At worst, it's a dismissal of female humanity. Maturity, wisdom and achievement mean nothing ... youth and beauty means everything.

The saddest part is that this disgusting ruse may actually work in November.

I don't know, Lex. My initial reaction has been more like, "Gee, thanks John, for just handing us the election!" She's really too poorly qualified; even her mother-in-law just said she isn't quite sure what Sarah brings to the ticket. Voters in Alaska seem to be somewhat fine with her as governor, but her potential slot in the VP has them scratching their heads. Like Joe.My.God said on his blog, I can't wait for Megan Mullaly to play Sarah Palin in the inevitable send-up.

Oh, and Palin's fake pregnancy a few months back is soooo rich! The "Christian" woman covered up her daughter's illegitimate pregnancy, and pretended she was having a baby? This woman just gets more and more interesting to me. McCain seriously could give a shit about her viability as a potential Prez. Anyone think he's got a touch of the "Old Age" lapses in rational thought?

Read all about it:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/30/121350/137/486/580223

I really think this last debate painted a vivid picture of the two candidates. John McCain out from behind a podium appeared really frail and ancient for his 72 years. I know he suffered alot in his younger years, but 40 years later I think maybe he took one too many pistol whippings. If you watched his physicality it was actually a little shocking compared to Barack Obama. It seemed sad seeing the two onstage together. Mr. Obama appearing in control and confident with comfortable body language. McCain's attacks on Obama and lame attempts at jokes were pathetic at best. McCain seemed unsteady and jittery when not addressing the audience. He reminded me a bit of the shuffling footed old character Tim Conway did on The Carol Burnett show. It became very apparent that the possibilty of Sarah Palin having to finish his term could be a very likely reality. Talk about multi tasking. Caring for a special needs child, a pregnant teen AND run the country? How would she find time for skeet shooting, anti abortion rallies and faith healing services? Her hate based finger pointing could single handedly bring witch hunts back in vogue in America. God Save the Queens!!!!

She really is the devil and if they win it will seem like the end of days. It's interesting seeing it unfold from abroad (from a broad?) because people over here just think Obama would automatically win. I end up having to explain that religion and race probably play a more important role than policy in this election. So then I get depressed because I start to realize that we really might have McCain as our next president which likely means Palin as our president and then...

Sarah Palin is harmless enough if she were just your narrow minded cousin who kept her stupidity confined to the hillbilly town where she resides. Her puritanical views spewed out on an international stage are even more embarrassing than George Bush's 8 years of blabbering if that's even possible. I am a firm supporter of women and their rightful place in our government but she really is a sad exception to that rule. She would better serve our country lying quietly in front of an abortion clinic somewhere in Anchorage.

I know Brits who are very thankful to have Palin running. Because, they say, only in America would there be a candidate for high office who has much more entertainment value than political credibility. They are very entertained by her fatuous pretensions, her overt racism and fear-mongering mouthed in subaltern manners. Pathetically, for us Americans, she is the new standard for dumbing down politics. Now we are supposed to accept that a person can just wink their way in to national office. Thank the Little Bush Idiocracy once again.

Just when you think conservatives can't sink any lower...
THEY ALWAYS DO!
It's amazing.
Bush now has an even lower approval rating than Nixon did at his lowest. I believe the lowest ever.
I hope all the people who were "a feared the gays was gonna git married if Bush didn't win" are happy.
I know they are not but they will never learn.
Even though Sarah Palin only got a passport like last year and doesn't know where Europe is on a map, she can skin a moose with her bare teeth and that's good enough in the Red States to be leader of the free world.

I'm sorry Darla, I know you can drive an F-15 and that is very cool but I can't imagine how you can get behind this one.
You can put lipstick on it but it is still a disaster.

I wouldn't put it past DD to support this one. Early on she was on these boards singing the praises of Ann Coulter. Same lipstick, different pig.

Don't look now, that loud oinking sound you hear is coming from the direction of Alaska.

Her ignorance, inexperience and itchy trigger finger makes her unfit to be vice president of the local PTA much less the USA.

Are you referring to Darla or Sarah???

Even my parents and their friends are supporting Obama and these are die hard republicans. I mean people who worked in Reagan administration repubicans.

Saw this ad on the F train today:

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The McCain/Palin campaign went off the deep end this week. Their rallies look disturbingly like late 1920's Germany. Paranoid, angry and hateful.

This essay by Frank Rich hits the nail on the head.....

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/12/opinion/12rich.html?hp

hopefully, in about 3 weeks we will have left all that behind us.

great article.

Really good. Thanks Lil. The kind of feverish racism that is rearing its head I hope will actually work against the republicans in the end. I think it was inevitable that the campaign would turn this way because the GOP can't inspire hope so they resort to fear. WHen I heard about the court ruling in CT for gay marriage I actually winced because I thought "Why couldn't they have waited till after the election." I think now since an obvious racist slant of the McCain campaign has proven detrimental the next tactic will be to say that Obama is for people being able to marry their dogs because that's always the conservative's argument agaisnt gay marriage, so it seems. Like, "If the institute of marriage can be changed to allow men to marry men, or women to marry women, then what's stopping them from allowing people to marry their pets."

I read this on a progressive blog. I don't know who wrote it, but it sums up my sentiments exactly....

quote:

See, here's the deal -- we're going to win the White House, we're going to win big in the Senate, and we're going to rack up big gains in the House. Republicans know this and are preparing for the worst. Now think of 2004 -- we really thought Kerry was going to pull it off. Remember that? And remember how utterly devastated we were when Bush pulled it off? The pain was so much worse because we expected to win.
So with conservatives bracing for the worse, they won't experience the kind of pain we did. Not unless we deliver a defeat even worse than their worst nightmares. And I'll be honest with you -- I want them to hurt as much as we did. I want their spirits crushed, their backs broken.

So the way we do that is we deliver a defeat worse than they ever imagined. We do that by winning states that have no business turning Blue -- like North Carolina, Georgia, Indiana, and so on -- states that were easy Bush victories in 2004. We do that by electing a 60-seat supermajority in the Senate. We do that by defeating their leadership, like Mitch McConnell in the Senate. We do that by defeating their heroes, like wingnut go-to hero John Shadegg. We do that by making sure a record number of Americans reject conservative ideology, leaving it utterly discredited.

The day after the election, I want to see an electoral battlefield littered with defeated Republicans, their ranks demoralized, their treasury in heavy debt, and no real leadership to take the helm. I want a vacuum so complete, that a bloody leadership battle between the neocons, theocons, and corporate cons shakes the GOP to its core, and leaves it fractured and ill-equipped to stymie the progressive agenda, much less ramp up for an even bleaker (for them) 2010.

The wounds of the Kerry defeat still sting. Four years later I'm still in shock that he lost, not because I thought he was all that but because I still can't fathom that after four years of the Bush administration people couldn't see the evidence of his incompetency as plain as the nose on their faces in a mirror reflection.

I'm cautiously optimistic at this stage in the election, but I won't believe it until I see Obama behind that desk in the Oval Office.

I'm with you, Lexy. But as a decades long JFK conspiracy buff, I also shudder to think what plots are being hatched to take out Obama - not talking about the nuts being riled up by the Palins and McCains, but a neocon plot from inside the (departing) government.

And, how perfect - it could be hung on some rascist in much the way the JFK job was hung on Oswald. Please tell me Im just being paranoid...

McCain won't call off the dogs.
They are now out of the kennel.
His Party calls the shots.
And you can be sure people like Karl Rove are smiling about it.
Now all can see who the Republican base really are.
As for the Palin person, immaturity allows her to think sleazy is cool.
When politics become antisocial it is a undeniable guage of how awful conditions in general have become.
There is no secret conspiracy to off Obama, there is a public policy promoted by legitimate candidates for high office.
Who were the parents of Little Bush, Sara Palin and John McCain? They all failed.

I have to say it... Im worried. I went out on my motorcycle upstate and noticed so many McCain/Palin signs on peoples lawns. It was shocking. This is only 1/2 hour outside NYC. There was not an Obama sign to be seen for miles. Finally one, in Nyack, the 'progressive' town but only one. It got me thinking, are people afraid to put an Obama sign out on their lawn? are they afraid the McCain followers will throw rocks through their windows? I wanted to ride my motorcycle over the lawns and plow down the McCain/Palin signs, but of course I didn't, and then it hit me... I bet a McCain supporter would have drove all over that lawn if it was an Obama sign. And thats why I'm nervous. They will do ANYTHING to win. My Aunt said "I don't know who to vote for this time" , that made me speachless, well for a moment, then I told her what I thought. But that is a very good example of the 'average' person. It made me very nervous.......

yeah...
there's reason to worry.
check out these people:

drunk & patriotic

I'm heading to Ohio with a bunch of Obama supporters to help get people to the polls and make sure there's no funny business.

plus. Christoper Hitchens just endorsed Obama

http://www.slate.com/id/2202163/


and William F. Buckley Jr's son just got fired from the National Review for endorsing Obama.

they're falling apart. It's not over and we still need to work our asses off, but I'm optimistic.

If you're a Democrat, voting in New York can be anti-climactic, since Obama will probably win at least 75% of the vote in the city and every seat in the congressional delegation will be won by the Democrats.

But you can make a statement by voting on The Working Families Party line.

It's row E on the ballot and they have endorsed Obama and pretty much all Democrats in the city so your vote still goes to Obama and other Democrats.

But the Working Families Party is trying to push the Democrats to the left on economic issues like rent regulation, single payer health care and other issues like drug law reform. A vote for Obama on row E sends a message to the Democratic Party that we care about these issues while not splitting the vote.

check out their website...

http://www.workingfamiliesparty.org/

IT'S ALREADY STOLEN

Investigation by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Greg Palast released today

Don't worry about Mickey Mouse or ACORN stealing the election. According to an investigative report out today in Rolling Stone magazine, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Greg Palast, after a year-long investigation, reveal a systematic program of "GOP vote tampering" on a massive scale.

- Republican Secretaries of State of swing-state Colorado have quietly purged one in six names from their voter rolls.

Over several months, the GOP politicos in Colorado stonewalled every attempt by Rolling Stone to get an answer to the massive purge - ten times the average state's rate of removal.

- While Obama dreams of riding to the White House on a wave of new voters, more then 2.7 million have had their registrations REJECTED under new procedures signed into law by George Bush.

Kennedy, a voting rights lawyer, charges this is a resurgence of 'Jim Crow' tactics to wrongly block Black and Hispanic voters.

- A fired US prosecutor levels new charges - accusing leaders of his own party, Republicans, with criminal acts in an attempt to block legal voters as "fraudulent."

- Digging through government records, the Kennedy-Palast team discovered that, in 2004, a GOP scheme called "caging" ultimately took away the rights of 1.1 million voters. The Rolling Stone duo predict that, this November 4, it will be far worse.

There's more:

- Since the last presidential race, "States used dubious 'list management' rules to scrub at least 10 million voters from their rolls."

Among those was Paul Maez of Las Vegas, New Mexico - a victim of an unreported but devastating purge of voters in that state that left as many as one in nine Democrats without a vote. For Maez, the state's purging his registration was particularly shocking - he's the county elections supervisor.

The Kennedy-Palast revelations go far beyond the sum of questionably purged voters recently reported by the New York Times.

"Republican operatives - the party's elite commandos of bare-knuckle politics," report Kennedy and Palast, under the cover of fighting fraudulent voting, are "systematically disenfranchis[ing] Democrats."

The investigators level a deadly serious charge:

"If Democrats are to win the 2008 election, they must not simply beat McCain at the polls - they must beat him by a margin that exceeds the level of GOP vote tampering."

Block the Vote by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. & Greg Palast in the current issue (#1064) of Rolling Stone. [Media enquiries - Dave Falkenstein, Sunshine Sachs & Assoc, via interviews@gregpalast.com.]

Note - Kennedy and Palast are releasing, simultaneously with the Rolling Stone an investigative report they call, the vote-theft 'antidote': a 24-page full-color comic book, Steal Back Your Vote, which can be downloaded or obtained in print from their non-partisan website, StealBackYourVote.org

For updates and video reports, go to RollingStone.com, www.GregPalast.com and StealBackYourVote.org.

TRY ANARCHY

It is Democracy
without
Politicians.

Hopefully some good news from Ohio.

We saw Obama speak @ the University of Cincinnati last night. We were among 27,000 who waited in line for 3 hours. And we LOVED every minute of it.

Ohio has had over 1.5 million people vote early and exit polls are showing that up to 65% of those who have voted early have voted for Obama.

True, there are stories of people waiting 6 hours in line in Columbus, but I can personally tell you that I went at NOON last Tuesday in Cincinnati and only waited for 35-40 minutes. I did not see even one person have issues while voting at the Board of Elections.

They are going to have a MUCH harder time stealing this one.

Satori

On this hopeful note, we are closing this topic. Please post in the new ELECTION DAY 2008 topic at the top of this forum list and thanks to all who shared their perspective here.

Election Day 2008 - Thoughts and Reports