Madge and all things evil.
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Nothing like a good juxtaposition to clear the fog!
The other night I was watching Larry King Live because he was doing a full hour with Johnny Cash. Durring the commercials I would channel surf. Madonna and her fake lesbian kiss was everywhere. That's all people were talking about. Madonna. Britney. Christina. Justin Timberlake's raised eyebrows.
Then back to Johnny Cash. REALity. Johnny Cash is REAL. A REAL song writer. A REAL musician, a REAL drug addict, a REAL convict, a REAL outlaw, a REAL hero.
Seeing the two pop stars thrown together on my TV was so insightful. This is what she is...
OK, she's VERY talented.
She is an amazing A & R person (record company). She has an uncanny ear for hit records. She doesn't write them (no matter what the credit says) but she hears them. No small feat to be sure. (If it was easy they ALL could do it)
She is a great pop stylist. She always knows what to wear. What hair to do etc. She doesn't come up with ANY of this herself but again, she knows what to take. (I know why you like her Jimmy, she's good.)
She will go down in history as one of the fiercest publicists ever. Right up ther with PT Barnum and Billy Rose. She will do ANYTHING to stay in the spotlight. And if anyone thinks that is easy... think again.
She really knows human nature. (The "Low Road" anyway). She knows power is EVERYTHING.
example: Magazines keep her on top because she sells magazines.
She is shameless and knows nobody will challenge her as long as she makes money. She knows it's all about money today.
The same old trick she's been doing for twenty years.
She watches Tatu's fake lesbian kiss.
Thinks...
20 million people know about it. I can do it in front of 200 million people. Get more press and air time than they could in 20 years. And it will be "The Madonna Fake Lesbian Kiss". Not Christina's, Britney's or Tatu's.
Mine.
She was right. It worked like a charm. A week later people are still talking about "The Madonna Fake Lesbian Kiss".
Botton Line:
Here we are still talking about her.
20 years later.
NOW CHANGE THE CHANNEL.
FLASH BACK TO JOHNNY CASH.
He's singing raw with his guitar in front of a thousand inmates in Fulsom Prison.
"She walks these hills in a long black veil"
Real.
He would never make it today. Justin Timberlake would blow him out of the water. Neither would Aretha Franklin. (VH1's "Entertainer Of The Century") She's too dark and too fat.
OK, OK...
I know the argument Jimmy.
-She's just a Pop Star. What the hell do you expect?
Well Johnny Cash is a Pop Star.
So is Bob Dylan, Joni Mitchel, Kurt Cobain, Prince, Trent Reznor, David Byrne etc.
And I know that there have always been bubblegum Pop Stars. But she's not that. She is a sign post Pop Star. Like Bob Dylan and Mick Jagger. A reflection of a generation.
And that's what is interesting to me about her.
Paris (a couple of years ago)
Madonna to Daddy:
"You're so shady to me".
[This message was edited by daddy on 09-03-03 at 03:41 PM.]
The other night I was watching Larry King Live because he was doing a full hour with Johnny Cash. Durring the commercials I would channel surf. Madonna and her fake lesbian kiss was everywhere. That's all people were talking about. Madonna. Britney. Christina. Justin Timberlake's raised eyebrows.
Then back to Johnny Cash. REALity. Johnny Cash is REAL. A REAL song writer. A REAL musician, a REAL drug addict, a REAL convict, a REAL outlaw, a REAL hero.
Seeing the two pop stars thrown together on my TV was so insightful. This is what she is...
OK, she's VERY talented.
She is an amazing A & R person (record company). She has an uncanny ear for hit records. She doesn't write them (no matter what the credit says) but she hears them. No small feat to be sure. (If it was easy they ALL could do it)
She is a great pop stylist. She always knows what to wear. What hair to do etc. She doesn't come up with ANY of this herself but again, she knows what to take. (I know why you like her Jimmy, she's good.)
She will go down in history as one of the fiercest publicists ever. Right up ther with PT Barnum and Billy Rose. She will do ANYTHING to stay in the spotlight. And if anyone thinks that is easy... think again.
She really knows human nature. (The "Low Road" anyway). She knows power is EVERYTHING.
example: Magazines keep her on top because she sells magazines.
She is shameless and knows nobody will challenge her as long as she makes money. She knows it's all about money today.
The same old trick she's been doing for twenty years.
She watches Tatu's fake lesbian kiss.
Thinks...
20 million people know about it. I can do it in front of 200 million people. Get more press and air time than they could in 20 years. And it will be "The Madonna Fake Lesbian Kiss". Not Christina's, Britney's or Tatu's.
Mine.
She was right. It worked like a charm. A week later people are still talking about "The Madonna Fake Lesbian Kiss".
Botton Line:
Here we are still talking about her.
20 years later.
NOW CHANGE THE CHANNEL.
FLASH BACK TO JOHNNY CASH.
He's singing raw with his guitar in front of a thousand inmates in Fulsom Prison.
"She walks these hills in a long black veil"
Real.
He would never make it today. Justin Timberlake would blow him out of the water. Neither would Aretha Franklin. (VH1's "Entertainer Of The Century") She's too dark and too fat.
OK, OK...
I know the argument Jimmy.
-She's just a Pop Star. What the hell do you expect?
Well Johnny Cash is a Pop Star.
So is Bob Dylan, Joni Mitchel, Kurt Cobain, Prince, Trent Reznor, David Byrne etc.
And I know that there have always been bubblegum Pop Stars. But she's not that. She is a sign post Pop Star. Like Bob Dylan and Mick Jagger. A reflection of a generation.
And that's what is interesting to me about her.
Paris (a couple of years ago)
Madonna to Daddy:
"You're so shady to me".
[This message was edited by daddy on 09-03-03 at 03:41 PM.]
Dear Slim Shady -
I bow down and touch the hem of your garment - YOU ARE SO RIGHT.... couldn't have said it better myself...
Yes she is clever but NOT talented....
And YES folks like Cash are the REAL deal...
Thats what pisses me off that folks still give her props... I could think of giving her props if she even 'gave back' to the folks she emulates or feeds off but she doesn't and that totally is what pisses me off....
I just HATE phoneys and she is just a total psued
Love her new Kabala name "Ester" LOL
Daddy you are right .... shady... but right
I bow down and touch the hem of your garment - YOU ARE SO RIGHT.... couldn't have said it better myself...
Yes she is clever but NOT talented....
And YES folks like Cash are the REAL deal...
Thats what pisses me off that folks still give her props... I could think of giving her props if she even 'gave back' to the folks she emulates or feeds off but she doesn't and that totally is what pisses me off....
I just HATE phoneys and she is just a total psued
Love her new Kabala name "Ester" LOL
Daddy you are right .... shady... but right
PS I hear Paris Hilton is a lesbo now too.... she is apparently 'dating' Ingrid Caseares LOL Now THAT is another story - another kettle of fish even
His voice is like the Earth itself singing (or the male aspect of it anyway). Totally real! He had many of the then cutting edge counter culture singers on his television show in the 1960s like Bob Dylan (several times). I must admit it was AFTER Dylans motorcycle accident when he no longer had that edginess with an abandon that he had prior to it, but he was still way out there as far as Mr. and Mrs. Average American was concerned. Johnny Cash Came out strongly against the Vietnam war at a time when it was considered a given that country stars were behind the administration and supporting the War. His "Why I dress in Black" is uncompromising. In many ways he's been more of a Folk singer than Country and Western artist, yet cetainly blending the genres. He is unique. I still listen to his two live prison albums at Fulsom and San Quinten, and those guys would have been able to read a phoney a mile away. He was the real deal. My older brother once gave me a tape of Johnny Cash singing songs about Americans and American History that had an excellent song that I used to play for my students: "The Ballad of Ira Hayes," about an American Indian who was one of the flag raisers on Iwo Jima in World War 2, who died in a ditch years later, a broken alcholic. It's a testament to american hipocracy and racism. Then there was the late June Carter Cash. If you haven't seen them in their prime together singing "Jackson" you've got to see it. It's hot! They were both so hot then. Great performers, but I don't think there was all that much acting involved, there was so much realness so close and accessible. Johnny Cash has always moved me in a big way, and he still does. To jusxtapose him or Aretha "Queen of Soul" Franklin for that matter with todays shallow pop stars is certainly very telling. It's a stark and sorry contrast.
....he funny thing is when I was teenager I got into an actual fist fight because some guy said Madonna was better that Bananarama ( i hated madge at the time)....now I'm not even a fan I just like to watch her on TV.
But Daddy could you play the re-mix of Hollywood tonight at Magique..I love that song.
But Daddy could you play the re-mix of Hollywood tonight at Magique..I love that song.
But I'll play "Ray of Light"
I love that song.
I love that song.
Yup, during the interim between stunts, I get pretty fucking tired of the Eternal Whore. But just as I'm about to lose it over her newest accent, or her newest name, she goes and shuts me up. When I heard about "that kiss" (I didn't watch the live awards show, figuring I'd catch it on the 72-hour marathon immediately afterwards), my eyes were rolling upward everytime MTV was mentioned. However, when I did see it, all I could do was laugh and know that the bitch is brilliant. Owning talent? Even she knows she doesn't. Owning fame? I bow down to the best.
Well, Daddy...must genuflect to you...that was the best summation of who she is, and I have read a lot of books about her.
He's always the one that takes the wrath.
(He confessed to me last night that he doesn't give a shit about Madonna. He just defends her to make Anna Nicole mad).
Bah!
Well it won't work any more Jimmy Scouse. The truth is out!
(He confessed to me last night that he doesn't give a shit about Madonna. He just defends her to make Anna Nicole mad).
Bah!
Well it won't work any more Jimmy Scouse. The truth is out!
...back to Pete Burns.
that clip is still being played a week later...twice in one hour of tv at the gym, so the media is still showing it, and people are still talking about it.
she's good.
I have no idea what the "kiss" thing is all about , I've been at Burning Man which I must say is one of the most "Madonna Free Zones" in the world. So I'm happy to say I have no idea what the hell her latest stunt was.
I can't wait till she "discovers" Burning Man.
She will invent that too.
just watch
She will invent that too.
just watch
right on. james and i were having a madonna conversation at the slipper room last saturday night. i put her in the same league as james brown -- miss saturn was hoola-hooping to j.b.'s "this is a man's world" and it brought to mind the number of different musical styles he has mastered. ultimately, we agreed that j.b., like johnny cash, has talent that's more real than madonna's, but when it comes to predicting, setting and mastering trends, they're both equal i think. unless madonna isn't really a trend setter, more of a wickedly talented trend democratizer, i'm not sure...
her "tale to tell" years were genius, regardless.
her "tale to tell" years were genius, regardless.
My, my!
Quite a mouthful. However when I'm in my 40s and 50s I'll still be kissing plenty of 22-year-olds! Hopefully ......
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Madonna-Britney kiss angers Stevie
By NUI TE KOHA
The Herald Sun
19sep03
STEVIE Nicks rates the notorious Madonna-Britney kiss as the most obnoxious television moment ever.
"First of all, Madonna is too old to be kissing someone who is 22," the Fleetwood Mac singer told the Herald Sun.
"And Britney should be smarter than that. Hopefully, she will figure a way out of this hole she has dug for herself."
Original rock chick Nicks, 55, said Spears and Christina Aguilera should wear more clothes and try writing decent songs.
"I personally have never been to a strip club, but I turn on MTV and see in every single video what it must be like to be at a strip club," Nicks said.
"I think the mystery is gone, and if you have no mystery, then you aren't even sexy.
"Real sexuality and sensuality is in the music, and all these girls, vis-a-vis, Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera and on and on, should go back to writing songs and start over because it won't last and they won't last.
"When they are 55, they won't be around and that's sad because I think a lot of those girls are very talented. But they are signing their own death warrants."
Nicks was appalled by Madonna's publicity stunt kiss with Spears at the recent MTV Awards.
"I thought it was the most obnoxious moment in television history," she said.
"Madonna will be fine. Madonna is Madonna. She does what she wants. She will get over this. But will Britney get over it? I don't know."
Nicks revealed Madonna asked Jennifer Lopez to be in the smoochy routine, but J.Lo told Madge to kiss something else.
Nicks is the ultimate rock survivor, weathering drug addictions, depression and a tumultuous relationship with Lindsey Buckingham.
Fleetwood Mac performs at Rod Laver Arena on February 23. Tickets go on sale on Monday.
Quite a mouthful. However when I'm in my 40s and 50s I'll still be kissing plenty of 22-year-olds! Hopefully ......
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However when I'm in my 40s and 50s I'll still be kissing plenty of 22-year-olds!
I am. And I do
Poor Belzie! First Joni and now Stevie. Doesn't anyone like her?
I so worship Stevie, though I always feel a tinge of unease when the older generation criticizes the young upstarts:
This is the same kind of criticism that was leveled against Madonna, and so many others who were equally unpopular among parents... who couldn't understand what they meant to their kids. To me, Stevie comes across as a bit fuddy-duddy here. I thought the MTV kiss thing was terribly tacky, and though I'm not a huge fan of everything that Britney and Christina do, they represent where music has gone. Some may think that's sad, but it is what it is...
[This message was edited by Michael Madison on 09-22-03 at 03:46 PM.]
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When they are 55, they won't be around and that's sad because I think a lot of those girls are very talented. But they are signing their own death warrants.
This is the same kind of criticism that was leveled against Madonna, and so many others who were equally unpopular among parents... who couldn't understand what they meant to their kids. To me, Stevie comes across as a bit fuddy-duddy here. I thought the MTV kiss thing was terribly tacky, and though I'm not a huge fan of everything that Britney and Christina do, they represent where music has gone. Some may think that's sad, but it is what it is...
[This message was edited by Michael Madison on 09-22-03 at 03:46 PM.]
While trapped in a hotel room last wk... i caught an episode of Oprah.... Madonna in a floral frock talking about writing for children in her fake British accent...
She was just like Serial Mom
She was just like Serial Mom