Eek, looks like Baby Jane...but yes, going back to Moonshadow, it was the happening place to go for a while back in the day. I remember it was run by two lesbians and yes, it did not open till 11:00 PM and only on weekends. On Sundays they had tea dances to take in all the twisted sisters left over from The Saint, which was actually the best time to go...a fun and(very)demented club.
That's right.
I used to go there on Sunday sometimes.
My real church was the Paradise Garage but once in a while I would vist other houses of worship.
Do you remember who the DJ was?
I forget.

But anyway, back to "The Devil"...
I hear she now wants to direct (movies).
Now that anyone could see coming.
Ooo ooo ooo! I wanna be Rosie O'Donell!

Meanwhile, Madge cries:

Liz Smith -- November 30, 2005 -- 'ME AND ELVIS? Are you kidding?! I'm gonna tell my dad. Maybe that will impress him."

That was Madonna's reaction when we told the Queen of Pop that she has now tied the King of Rock 'n' Roll with the most top-10 singles ever "” 36 each. (Her latest being the crazily infectious "Hung Up.") M had not heard the news yet. I guess she really does stay away from media! And at 47, touchingly, she still looks for Daddy's approval. The star called from London. I wanted her reaction to "Confessions on a Dance Floor" reaching No. 1 status in 25 countries, including the good old United States of America.

"It was my husband, Guy, who told me the album was No. 1 in America. I was shocked, stunned, happy. I said, 'We have to celebrate.' So we opened a bottle of champagne "” not something I usually do, though I probably should do more of that "” I had a glass, and then I sat and cried for 20 minutes. Really. So many conflicting emotions, but basically tears of joy. Don't let anybody tell you commercial success doesn't matter."

M ("everybody calls me M now, I never hear my own name!") is busy planning her next video for the second single, "Sorry." She says, "I want it to be a sequel to the 'Hung Up' video "” what happens after she dances the night away because her boyfriend is so unavailable." And M is thinking about her "Confessions" concert tour, which might include smaller venues "where I can hear myself singing; I can see the faces!"

Madonna also wants to build a film around her current troupe of dancers, which includes the phenomenally talented Cloud and Hypnosis. "They are not just dancers. They're filmmakers and artists. Creative cyclones. I adore them." We spoke of broken bones "” I recently shattered a wrist, she quite a few more "” and she said it was terribly difficult coming back from that, to dance again. "Your 46th comeback!" I joked. She laughed, "Yes, I've lost track of how many times I've been written off." She paused. "Maybe that's the reason I cried when I heard about the record. Here's a big scoop. We're human, too."
ok, i know im WAY late on this sweetie, but.. Im finally listening to the new Madonna here at this job im on and I cant get over how bad the New York song is, is she kidding. I LOVE the sound of it. Its my favorite one music-wise , but the words......New York/Dork go to Texas....get off my street,London and Paris , you can keep? what the fuck, did her son make up the lyircs? its a shame cuz i really love the groove. Theo's "New York" song blows hers out of the water, and im not just saying that cuz shes a friend.......oh Madonna cant you just hum along with the music?
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Rob I thought the exact same thing about the lyrics to the New York song. I like the groove too but it's one of the lesser tracks IMHO. In fact I could arguably take back the "near-genius" label ... upon closer inspection, much of the lyrics are not so great. But then great dance music is supposed to speak to your body, not your mind, right? Unless of course it's Billy Ray Martin.

My faves are "Jump" and "Can We Get Together". The best thing about the whole record is that you really do feel like you're back in some giant NYC club of bygone days tripping on E and feeling up some nameless hottie. The high without the high.
Its funny cos years ago she looked like she 'enjoyed' the clothes - now to me she looks like any other OLD day time tv show housefrau who has a stylist choose the latest fad. She just doesn't 'wear' clothes any more - do u know what i mean by that.
She's also way too scrawny... she needs a bit of curves she's just scraggy.
Has anyone seen the new shots of Janet Jackson since she lost all the weight.... really shocking....
I have no objection to Madge being up on a cross but i do find it somewhat amusing how she picks her 'targets'. To 'mock' christianity is a much softer target than say the jews or islam or even scientolgy! Remember when she made the 'war' video but pulled it fast (cos she was really scared of the backlash). To me it just de-values any 'art' she wants to do with the cross. u know..?
Am sure the show is a brilliant.... but i can't help feeling that people are now paying to see a caberet Madge - almost a parody of herself. She's become a characature of herself i think.
Bless her and her big scrawny mans hands.
I had to take up her side when I read about the church condemning her show and all. The Vatican can never stop being tired and hideous. If they're so fucking upset why don't they auction off 1/100th of their art collection and feed the entire Third World with the proceeds. (they could, you know) I still remember them all up in arms back in the 80s when she had a black Jesus in her 'Like A Prayer' video. Please.

But it's not like she's covering new ground here. Her art has always revolved around two issues really: religion and her pussy. When audiences tire of one topic, she veers back to the other. In recent years themes about the consequences of fame have crept in to her work, but that motif never seems to catch fire as well, so she sticks to the cross and the vag for guaranteed headlines. But that's a Catholic for you. They spend their whole lives recovering from the trauma of what they're force-fed as children.

When it's all said and done, I still love 'Confessions'. Say what you will about her ... the record rocks.
I didnt know about this so i googled it and found what all the "fuss" is about

-"Those who don't know what all the fuss is about... Madonna performed the ballad "Live To Tell" while suspended from a giant mirrored cross on Sunday's opening night with images of poverty in the developing world were shown on video screens, while numbers ticked away to represent the 12 million African children orphaned by AIDS. Poverty on the cross with a brand new "Jesus" called Madonna.."


Dont you think a better idea would be for the numbers to tick UP to represent how much $ shes making at each concert? Shes such a slag! at this point its truly a snooze-fest!
That's hysterical, is it funny cos it's true? I agree with Lex , the Confesssions album sound great, wish some of the current remixes were a bit better at times. A few of them are good, but is it my imagination is the Thin White Duke and Jacques Lu Cont remixing everyone these days?
This from Lady Bunny:

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JESUS CHRIST, MADONNA!

Like many in the gay community I ‘m passionate about Madonna. The only difference is that I can’t stand her.

And old Madge is at it again with her religious antics--mounting herself on a crucifix in her concert in Rome. Ooh, how shocking she is! Now I could care less about the catholic church and welcome any slam against it. While she’s at it, let's reduce all religious symbols to what they really are—meaningless, ancient props which charlatans have used for centuries to keep the faithful in their fold. But Madoodoo ain't fooling me with her tired bag of "scandalous" tricks. I'd be more shocked if she came out with some decent music, instead of the lead single from her latest album which samples a cheesy Abba disco record. It was actually one of Abba’s least cheesy, but so long after the let-sample-a-disco-record craze has faded! Girl! You used to set the trends, not fall behind them.

Or did she? No, not really. She just kept her ear (or her helpers' ears) to the streets to determine which trend was developing enough to stick and then clamed it for her own--like voguing or electronica. Maybe it was cutting edge to the folks in Kansas, but honey, I keep my ear and sometimes whole face is to the street--ok the gutter, actually --and I've always thought of Madonna as behind the times. And the constant reinvention? Well, if she'd started out with anything more meaty than flavor-of-last-month girlie-pop trash to begin with, maybe she wouldn't have to change it so often and so desperately. I realize that stars use different looks to announce new projects to send a clear message “Hey! You bought that last album, here’s a new album with a new look—so buy this one now.” There’s nothing wrong with that. It’s an effective marketing technique. But to me, Madonna is more marketing technique than artist.

Oh, I can feel the hate mail brewing. What do I know? I'm jealous. I'm a complete failure in comparison to Madonna and her mega-stardom. Well, that's true. But who isn't, really? She obviously has something a lot of people love or she wouldn't have a record-breaking world tour after 20 years in the most fickle of businesses. And the more everyone worships her and crams her down my throat, the more I tire of her.

Music is a matter of taste. I'll admit to liking a few of her songs over the years: HOLIDAY, LUCKY STAR, SPOTLIGHT, VOGUE and NOTHING REALLY MATTERS. (Of course my hatred of bubblegum trash like TRUE BLUE, LIVE TO TELL, PAPA DON’T PREACH and MUSIC almost cancels them out.) And she's certainly pretty and can dance ok . I loved the Marilyn-esque dress and hair in MATERIAL GIRL, however much I hated the song. And her body is amazingly toned in the HUNG UP video. Here's where the hate mail is directed towards my weight. I may have flabby, untoned, aging schoolteacher arms but at least my flab is a naturally-occurring condition—if you consider 5 meals per day natural. What is wrong with her stringy, muscular arms? Is it just me or do they look horrible? Certainly not sexy in a feminine way. Maybe that's one more reason why fags worship her--she looks like she's on steroids now.



And worship her they do. I'm always shocked how new generations of fags flock to her every new incarnation. I guess gay men are always gonna love the latest girlie sensation, whether it's Kylie or Britney or Stacey Q. Remember Stacy's TWO OF HEARTS?

Now I did get excited when footage from Madge's current tour showed her riding a mechanical animal
I’d hoped she might have another riding accident and break some more bones! OK, now I know that's just plain mean, but I do get testy on the subject of Madge and her, in my opinion, undeserved goddess status. After she french-kissed Britney on that awards show, some fag sent me an email claiming that this was Madonna's way of supporting same-sex marriage. Hungh? This was a desperate old whore trying to seem scandalous by swapping spit with a more current and equally undeserving superstar, who’s also mostly hype. And you'd think that I, if anyone could, identify with another desperate old whore! Actually, Madge’s whoring and taste in men endears me to her the most. I love that she snatched hunky Carlos Leon's sperm and said "That's all I wanted, thank you." I'm also fascinated with reports of how she used to cruise the once seedy East Village in a limo picking up multiple puerto rican lovers in one night—if they were in the 9” and over club. Basically hooking for free if the trade was fierce enough. So at least she and I have one thing in common. And I’ll give her unqualified kudos on another aspect of her career—her acting! What a natural comedienne Madonna is—especially in her serious scenes!

Now I know that IÂ’ll be crucified by the gays for blaspheming against The Material Girl, but what bugs me the most is her misuse of religious controversy. ItÂ’s totally empty and meaningless, just like the jailed, black Jesus she caresses in her LIKE A PRAYER VIDEO. SheÂ’s claimed that the cross scene is accompanied by slides of AIDS-infected children in Africa and related statistics in order to raise awareness of the diseaseÂ’s huge toll on the continent, but a cross has nothing whatsoever to do with AIDS or children who have it. Mounting herself on a giant onion has as much relevance to African kids with AIDS. So why choose a crucifix? To get press for her overpriced tour.

There are so many real life controversies which she could be calling attention to, even within the church. How about the rampant child molestation by priests? Or challenging the VaticanÂ’s claim that condoms donÂ’t prevent AIDS transmission? The Vatican is so glued to itÂ’s antiquated preachings that it lies to itÂ’s followers about safe sex, sending them to their deaths by preaching against condoms? Or why not draw attention to the quest of your massive gay fan base for same-sex marriage/equal rights? Global warming? The pointless war in Iraq? ThereÂ’s a ton of issues to pick from. But, she prefers hollow controversy for controversyÂ’s sake. And sheÂ’s gotta pick one that will not offend the Clear Channel so that her music will get played. The Material Girl cares about one thing only: your money. (If thatÂ’s what the Kaballah teaches, she must be a saint.) Oh, and kids in Africa with AIDS. God, sheÂ’s even biting Bono and BrangelinaÂ’s style on that cause. She probably did marketing research to see if their popularity increased after their fight for African childrenÂ’s health. Give it a rest, honey.

Lady Bunny
Thank goodness for Lady Bunny. Her comments are dead on. Why is it that I remember a rumor that Madonna was not allowed to be played anywhere at Jackie 60?!Was there any truth to this rumor? I remember Kitty mentioning someting to that effect?! Then again I could have been drunk.
She was not allowed to be played OR allowed into the club.

We did make an exception once though.
It was a "Night Of A Thousand Stevies".
Kitty came up to me and said, "Madonnna is outside and wants to come in. Should I let her in Daddy?"
I told her, "Why not. What's she going to do, grow her hair long and become a witchy goth in flowing dresses?"
So we let her in.

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Didn't some priest in Europe call in a bomb threat on one of her concerts and close it down?

I'm too lazy to google it but I know I saw it recently.

This crucifix thing is so tired, it is completely predictable that the religious nuts would start raging. Hohum.
Peyser is a total ass. Passes over the fact of Ma-doo-doo's $3 million for an orphanage, to complain the kids will be taught kaballa. Who cares? They're eating!
Is it worse than being brought up as a born-again Christian?

People seem to be more comfortable with Madoody buying $3 million worth of shoes. Give the woman a break.
Oprah sucks, she's like a dictator telling us what to read and how to lose weight and shit because her viewers have no brains at all. Oprah and Star Jones are both stupid. I'm not a racist I just find both of them pretenious and boring. The View is stupid too. And as much as I like The Color Purple, I don't know if I want to see it on Broadway, it's still up in the air.
Breaking news! (guessing that no one else here gets emails from the Madonna fan club) Madge's 100% commodification was complete a long time ago, but she continues to top herself..latest offerings just in time for xmas: get your "limited edition Madonna canvas painting" and "Limited Edition Holiday Ornament" -- now!

Dear Madonna Fans,

Christmas is just 18 days away and Madonna has some great gifts for fellow fans. Here are some opportunities you won't want to miss:

- Are you ready to add Madonna to your Christmas tree? Visit Madonna's official store for a Limited Edition Holiday Ornament! The glass ball features a silhouette from the Hung Up Video and reads Madonna in a satin ink. Time goes by so slowly for those who wait... So click here now and order yours!

- A brand new limited edition Madonna canvas painting is now available! Limited to 500 copies, this authentic piece of art features one of the most famous Confessions Tour photographs taken by Steven Klein. It is being sold exculsively at Z Gallerie. Just click here for more info.

- 2007 will be another Madonna year, that is for sure! Why not spend the next 12 months with our favorite Disco Diva? Click here to order your copy of Madonna's official 2007 Calendar, which includes breathtaking studio and live photographs.

- Having a holiday Get Together?? Click here to get in the spirit of the season by downloading Madonna's version of Santa Baby and start singing along!

Happy Holidays!

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It sort of sums her up best, dont ya think Daddy? And AB, the reason a bunch of us here like to spend even the littlest time making fun of Oldfrapp is because we get sucha giggle out of spotting her bullshit a mile away. There's artistic synchronicty and then there's just plain ole MOPPING.
PS has anyone seen her dartboard. The reason I saw it is because someone told me that Jake SHears from Scissor Sisters is the latest addition to it. Other members of that elite privelege are: Elton John, Alison Goldfrap, Joni Mitchell, Gwen Stefani, MAriah. It's posted on her blog sometime in early Sept I think. She reads Jake saying he's always saying that she keeps asking to work with him (which he doesn't) and she says "If I wanted to sound like an Elton John cover band I would work with the real thing." Over to Elton...
Madonna reduced to tears. From yesterday's Daily Mail. So so brilliant. Love her music, but fuck Madonna. Three cheers for Stella and Chrissie.

Daily Mail (London)

December 14, 2006

Madonna's tears as Stella launches anti-fur sermon

BYLINE: RICHARD SIMPSON

MADONNA was reduced to tears in a furious bust-up with her clothes- designer friend Stella McCartney over her decision to wear a chinchilla fur coat.

Paul McCartney's daughter rang the 48-year-old pop singer from her hospital bed to tell her of the birth of her second child at the weekend. Within minutes, Stella had launched into a vicious diatribe about the singer wearing fur.

The coat, which Madonna wore on a night out with husband Guy Ritchie, was made by the Fendi design house and cost Pounds 52,000. It also cost the lives of 60 chinchillas, rodents from South American prized for an exceptionally soft fur.

'Stella rang up to tell her about the birth of little Bailey Linda whom she named after her late mother. The talk was very upbeat but the mood quickly changed.' Stella had been reading the papers and had seen pictures of Madonna wearing a fur coat.

A source close to the singer said: 'To be honest Stella was feeling exhausted and emotional from the birth when she made the call.

'Stella started off with a gentle lecturing, but she just seemed to get louder and louder. Madonna was trying to calm her down saying, "Oh, let's change the subject" but she wouldn't let it go.

'Stella was ranting that it was murderous, and she started saying, "What would you do if someone took away your children and killed them to wear their skin?"

'She really is that fanatical. She told her it was disgusting and asked her what the hell she was thinking.' Said the source: 'Madonna came back rather feebly with, "Well, they were already dead" and that was when Stella really lost it.

'She was telling her, "You're an icon and people round the world copy what you do and wear you will be responsible for thousands of these animals being killed because of your selfish actions."

She told her she was sick and twisted and so, so selfish.

'Madonna was so shell-shocked that she burst into tears. In some ways she isn't as tough as people might think. She can be very emotional especially where friends' views of her are concerned.' And the row didn't go away when Stella put the phone down.

In fact the reverberations were felt in the north London home of Gwyneth Paltrow and husband, Coldplay singer Chris Martin.

Former Pretenders' star Chrissy Hynde, who is one of the founders of PETA, also weighed in.

'Chrissie sent Madonna a letter saying she thought it was appalling. She went into all the specifics of how the chinchillas are killed in the most graphic terms.

Madonna was horrified she had upset so many people.

'Gwyneth, always the peacemaker, said to Madonna, "Look there's just been a misunderstanding, let's everyone stay calm."

' Madonna was saying to Gwyneth, "You tell her, I'm sorry."' The source added: 'In the end, Madonna was even trying to tell Stella it was a vintage coat and the animals were long dead anyway but it wasn't it was new.

'It has been very touchy, but now Madonna has vowed never to do it again, they are speaking civilly.'
And no I present to you---a poem! On the nature of lies and bullshit! Because everyone tell lies, admit it!


RAZZLE DAZZLE

Money makes the world go round, NO
Bullshit makes the world go round
Everybody lies to make themselves look good
I someone spits in your eye
You better expectsome sort of retaliation in
return in the future
All people including celebrities are fake
Fake as snowon a Hollywood set
Fake as the nose on Micheal Jackson's face
Fake as the domes on Pammela Anderson's chest
Money talks and bullshit walks, just ask Dubya
Money makes the world go round
That clinking clanking sound
Of euros, yen, dollars and pounds
Everyone tells lies to make themselves look good
Are they horrible though? You be the judge
Everyone from Madonna to the President
To the man/woman/trannie on the street
Tells lies and like Brecht said
"The world is poor and man's a shit"
It's all show business like Billy Flynn says
in Chicago
Just give it to the old razzle dazzle
and you'll be thought of as a star or a cool
human being
When really you're nothing special at all!

Thank you!
AndreaBiscotti
Not two days after Entertainment Weekly reported on a proposal by Madonna's former nanny, Melissa Dumas, making the rounds, Publishers Marketplace reports that a deal's been struck for LIVE TO TELL: My Life as Madonna's Nanny by Lindsey Moore at Crown. The September 2007 release went for "major deal" (aka $500,000 and up) money, and Sharlene Martin is the agent of record for the book, pitched as "an account of working in all four of the pop star's homes and the details of her home life, including such matters as house rules (no noise-even running water -- while Madonna is sleeping, and a ban on television, newspapers or magazines)". In other word, a tabloid's wet dream just sold for big bucks.
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I can't wait I just can't wait....
It comes as no suprise that Madonna is a control freak of the highest order, regardless I'm sure this book will be HUGE because there has never really been a true inside view of the private world of Madonna, only speculation. As a newcomer to the boards I have to comment that this forum is simply fascinating. I've just read some of the pages and I am forced to reevaluate my adoration of Madonna.
I have never blindly worshiped her, but I have overlooked many shortcomings. Maybe I will jump off the Madonna bandwagon......or NOT!
She is not just another Pop Star.
That's the whole thing about her.
She's like Bing Crosby, Frank Sinatra, Elvis, Bob Dylan or The Beatles in that she represents a generation. She will always be the "Material Girl". No matter how "Spiritual" she pretends to be, herstory will ALWAYS remember her as the "Material Girl".
And don't get me wrong...
I'm not saying that she invented this generation (or invented anything for that matter).
But she did tune in to it.
There were lots of people doing lots of different things in the eighties.
Her thing stuck.

But she's not the only one.
I think Donald Trump is just like her.
He tuned in to the zeitgeist.
The shameless self promotion, the obsession with celebrity, the whole famous for being famous thing. He's made millions (supposedly) using this glossy TRUMPed up name. But what IS the TRUMP name exactly? It's all smoke & mirrors.
Don Hill and I were talking about the DJs "The Mishapes". (They are the Madonna of DJs, something that pleases them to no end).
He was saying, "Kids today are more impressed with someone "getting over" than they are with someone with talent". It's that whole "laughing all the way to the bank" thing that I always use when talking about her. I think Don's take on it is right on the money.
If you say to some kid, "But she can't sing, or she can't dance, or she can't act". They always come back with, "But she's rich!"
How do you even continue the conversation after that?
You don't.

That's why she and Donald Trump are so rich.
I think years ago they called these folk Snake oil salesmen. They are selling your a belief in smth already out there that they have dressed up in such a skilled an fanciful fashion that its entertaining and you enjoy to believe in them.
Trump and Madge - so true so true that's spot on Daddy.
I don't think Dump Truck's LA Apprentice is doing too well, and Madonna just seems delusional. She looked like Marilu Henner in her sweaty leotards in this last video and the whole blatant attempt at controversy by putting herself on that hideous looking cross was just the worst. Madonna is ovah.
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Originally posted by daddy:
But she's not the only one.
I think Donald Trump is just like her.


Daddy, I do agree with you, and I would add that the two are very much alike in that despite whatever else they are know for - a common factor of the two is that their true artistry is in Marketing themselves - a lot of celebrity is just that; but they both took it to new heights of autocratic control.
Exactly.
But they could only happen in an atmosphere that is ripe for them.
They could not happen in say the 60's or 70's.


A few years ago VH1 did this show about the 100 greatest female performers of all time (or something like that). Ironically the winner was Aretha Franklin.
This was such a joke because if Aretha Franklin was starting out today she would not even get one toe in the door. She is way too dark, way too fat and no where near pretty enough to be on MTV or VH1.
Beyonce is what is acceptable today.
Nothing less.
(I'm a big Beyonce fan BTW, nothing against her.)
Hmmm, you've got me with the contract there, Daddy, but there are ways around those things, like The Devil Wears Prada...(ha ha)

I think the thing Madonna caught onto early was this idea of 'branding' which she does relentlessly and which other entertainers now do as a matter of course.

Even that ad she had in the subways for her tour a few years ago where she incorporated her M into the Kablahblah symbol, she uses her big stinky M where ever she can, now at H&M. Too bad you aren't still doing the Brown Party...
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